Grenfell Tower block disaster

A terrible tragedy for those directly involved but a bonanza for todays shameless media and any badge loving, self serving politition or councillor. Just get those made homeless by the fire rehoused quickly making sure it’s not some shady subletting landlord who benefits from obtaining a shiny new pad.
 
What do people make of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enfell-survivors-DIDNT-live-tower-hotels.html

A couple of survivors who didn’t live there are still being put up by the council at a four star hotel as they don’t want to return to their own private accommodation due to panic attacks:

“One student, who said he was visiting a friend on the night of the blaze, has argued that what he witnessed caused him such distress he cannot return to his home.

He did go back to his privately-rented shared flat in another part of London for a few weeks following the fire, but after contacting the council he was placed in a four-star hotel in west London.

He has been living in the hotel, with breakfast and dinner included, for much of the past 12 months at an estimated cost of more than £1,000-per-week. The student said he could not return to his original accommodation four miles from the tower because he is suffering from flashbacks and panic attacks.

‘I didn’t live there but I’m affected like everybody else,’ he said. ‘I went to the council support centre and told them how I am affected and asked whether they could pay the rent or get me a room. I said I needed urgent help. I need to be in a safe environment. They wouldn’t listen to anything because I came from a different borough. They kept pushing me away.’”

Seems a bit of a piss take that. It absolutely right that those that lost their houses are looked after and the same for those sub-letting or whose partners lived there but the guy above seems to be just milking it.
 
What do people make of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enfell-survivors-DIDNT-live-tower-hotels.html

A couple of survivors who didn’t live there are still being put up by the council at a four star hotel as they don’t want to return to their own private accommodation due to panic attacks:

“One student, who said he was visiting a friend on the night of the blaze, has argued that what he witnessed caused him such distress he cannot return to his home.

He did go back to his privately-rented shared flat in another part of London for a few weeks following the fire, but after contacting the council he was placed in a four-star hotel in west London.

He has been living in the hotel, with breakfast and dinner included, for much of the past 12 months at an estimated cost of more than £1,000-per-week. The student said he could not return to his original accommodation four miles from the tower because he is suffering from flashbacks and panic attacks.

‘I didn’t live there but I’m affected like everybody else,’ he said. ‘I went to the council support centre and told them how I am affected and asked whether they could pay the rent or get me a room. I said I needed urgent help. I need to be in a safe environment. They wouldn’t listen to anything because I came from a different borough. They kept pushing me away.’”

Seems a bit of a piss take that. It absolutely right that those that lost their houses are looked after and the same for those sub-letting or whose partners lived there but the guy above seems to be just milking it.
It's just money, I guess. Probably cheaper to pay this than any subsequent fines and court costs the council might end up paying should these people try suing them later.

It might seem like a pisstake but I guess it depends on their experience of the event. Might/probably have seen some dreadful stuff, and whatever the circumstances, the council are responsible for that.
 
It might seem like a pisstake but I guess it depends on their experience of the event. Might/probably have seen some dreadful stuff, and whatever the circumstances, the council are responsible for that.
But why would that make him need to stay in a hotel where he’s given free breakfast and dinner as opposed to living in his own private accommodation in another part of London?
 
there is a danger that this story will deflect the search for culpability as to how this tragedy occurred in the first place. Given the track record of the mail , it is probably the intention of the article to do just that. In the overall scheme of all things Grenfell ( multiple deaths, dereliction of duty, potential for many millions of pounds in reparations to be paid by the tax-payer, and the likelihood that flammable fire-prevention measures will have to be replaced nationwide ) surely, petty crime of this nature is very small potatoes, but then entirely predictable that the mail should deem it important
 
there is a danger that this story will deflect the search for culpability as to how this tragedy occurred in the first place. Given the track record of the mail , it is probably the intention of the article to do just that. In the overall scheme of all things Grenfell ( multiple deaths, dereliction of duty, potential for many millions of pounds in reparations to be paid by the tax-payer, and the likelihood that flammable fire-prevention measures will have to be replaced nationwide ) surely, petty crime of this nature is very small potatoes, but then entirely predictable that the mail should deem it important
Are you saying that you can’t follow two distinct thought processes at the same time? Or that you can but other can’t?

It absolutely fine to take the two themes separately, have genuine concern for the residents, want blame to be apportioned to those responsible AND think this guy is a chancer.

But I’m not surprised by your reaction, I expected it from someone, so just to be clear, my comment was about this guy and this guy alone.
 
Are you saying that you can’t follow two distinct thought processes at the same time? Or that you can but other can’t?

It absolutely fine to take the two themes separately, have genuine concern for the residents, want blame to be apportioned to those responsible AND think this guy is a chancer.

But I’m not surprised by your reaction, I expected it from someone, so just to be clear, my comment was about this guy and this guy alone.

I think its pretty shameful what the guy’s doing and when he’s older he’ll hopefully regret it.

I appreciate there will be distress but I’m not sure how being in a hotel and having his meals paid for is helping, when there’s genuinely people homeless.
 
What do people make of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enfell-survivors-DIDNT-live-tower-hotels.html

A couple of survivors who didn’t live there are still being put up by the council at a four star hotel as they don’t want to return to their own private accommodation due to panic attacks:

“One student, who said he was visiting a friend on the night of the blaze, has argued that what he witnessed caused him such distress he cannot return to his home.

He did go back to his privately-rented shared flat in another part of London for a few weeks following the fire, but after contacting the council he was placed in a four-star hotel in west London.

He has been living in the hotel, with breakfast and dinner included, for much of the past 12 months at an estimated cost of more than £1,000-per-week. The student said he could not return to his original accommodation four miles from the tower because he is suffering from flashbacks and panic attacks.

‘I didn’t live there but I’m affected like everybody else,’ he said. ‘I went to the council support centre and told them how I am affected and asked whether they could pay the rent or get me a room. I said I needed urgent help. I need to be in a safe environment. They wouldn’t listen to anything because I came from a different borough. They kept pushing me away.’”

Seems a bit of a piss take that. It absolutely right that those that lost their houses are looked after and the same for those sub-letting or whose partners lived there but the guy above seems to be just milking it.

It's in the daily mail so it's either bullshit or incredibly inaccurate. That's what I make of it
 
What do people make of this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...enfell-survivors-DIDNT-live-tower-hotels.html

A couple of survivors who didn’t live there are still being put up by the council at a four star hotel as they don’t want to return to their own private accommodation due to panic attacks:

“One student, who said he was visiting a friend on the night of the blaze, has argued that what he witnessed caused him such distress he cannot return to his home.

He did go back to his privately-rented shared flat in another part of London for a few weeks following the fire, but after contacting the council he was placed in a four-star hotel in west London.

He has been living in the hotel, with breakfast and dinner included, for much of the past 12 months at an estimated cost of more than £1,000-per-week. The student said he could not return to his original accommodation four miles from the tower because he is suffering from flashbacks and panic attacks.

‘I didn’t live there but I’m affected like everybody else,’ he said. ‘I went to the council support centre and told them how I am affected and asked whether they could pay the rent or get me a room. I said I needed urgent help. I need to be in a safe environment. They wouldn’t listen to anything because I came from a different borough. They kept pushing me away.’”

Seems a bit of a piss take that. It absolutely right that those that lost their houses are looked after and the same for those sub-letting or whose partners lived there but the guy above seems to be just milking it.

Well given the upset some firefighters have clearly demonstrated the last couple of days who is to say this poor sod hasn't got PTSD too? As for the hotel accommodation thats as much down to the absurd property market in London that means suitable alternative ( and cheaper ) accommodation probably isn't available.

As for the source.... well its the Mail isn't it? They love to agitate their readers over breakfast. Alongside reporting the absence of crumpets this story has all the required dog whistles in it - students - non-home owners - council support - a grand a week costs - just enough to get the blood pressure of " Mr Angry of Surbiton" on the rise for the day.
 
They key thing about Grenfell is that someone should be going to prison for a long time it's just a question of who.
Someone lied somewhere along the track and it's finding out who this person is that's the hard bit. Is it the person who signed off the cladding as being safe, is it the company CEO lying about their cheap fire proof cladding, is it the councillors for cutting the budget knowing full well the cladding wasn't fire proof. Someone has lied somewhere and whoever this is they need to be out on trial for manslaughter.
 
They key thing about Grenfell is that someone should be going to prison for a long time it's just a question of who.
Someone lied somewhere along the track and it's finding out who this person is that's the hard bit. Is it the person who signed off the cladding as being safe, is it the company CEO lying about their cheap fire proof cladding, is it the councillors for cutting the budget knowing full well the cladding wasn't fire proof. Someone has lied somewhere and whoever this is they need to be out on trial for manslaughter.

my money is on some minion at a subbie's who probably wrote the incorrect name of some cladding on an order form - somebody will pay for this and you can bet your bottom dollar they are already searching for the least senior person in each link in the chain to pin the blame on. Mrs Miggins who takes the tea trolley round the council offices is looking a good bet too.
 
This is the problem with off topic. Some people are so hell bent on carrying on their own line of argument that they can’t remotely engage with something that doesn’t agree with that argument.

No one is arguing that someone doesn’t do time for the tragedy. This story is completely separate however and it’s a chancer just wanting to live off the council (tax payer) and profit from a tragedy. But some on here would rather ignore than and attack the source or deflect rather than decry his actions.
 
This is the problem with off topic. Some people are so hell bent on carrying on their own line of argument that they can’t remotely engage with something that doesn’t agree with that argument.

No one is arguing that someone doesn’t do time for the tragedy. This story is completely separate however and it’s a chancer just wanting to live off the council (tax payer) and profit from a tragedy. But some on here would rather ignore than and attack the source or deflect rather than decry his actions.

The guys an utter **** and taking the fucking piss, he’d be no less off staying in his own home but he obviously feels he can sponge from the state and have a free ride. He should be fucked back off to his apartment and the money spent on some of the more worthwhile affected by the tragedy.
 
Even the article itself is selfcontradicting

"However this wider group is made up of those who were unofficially living with partners, friends or relatives, or were sub-letting from named tenants. It also includes those who have said they were sleeping rough in communal areas of the tower"

that's all the evidence I need to say that the article is bullshit and made up
 

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