Grooming gang scandal

Rascal said:
Seeing as there is no thread on the grooming gang scandal, its probably best i follow @blueonthru's advice and make a post i made into a thread

There should be a full national enquiry into grooming gangs, just to highlight why those on the far right are exploiting young girls for political capital

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

The problem is that the data is from only 19 out of more than 40 police forces and nearly a decade old

What I do find disturbing is this, children, often from deprived backgrounds, were dismissed as "lacking in credibility" their abusers were allowed to get away with subjecting them to horrific abuse, for too long.

The inquiry into the Telford abuse scandal, which published its report in 2022, found police dismissive of claims of abuse, with one saying "these girls had chosen to go with, I don't know, 'bad boys'".

We need finally to accept what credible research has been telling us for years: that child sexual abuse is not a “Muslim problem” but is endemic to virtually all communities. Look at the numbers: the sheer scale makes the ubiquity of abuse inevitable. An estimated one in 13 adults in England has been sexually abused as children. In 2019/20, police across the UK recorded more than 73,518 sexual offences against children, and the Home Office review itself reminds us that only around one in 10 victims actually disclose child sexual abuse to an official at the time

I have not seen one solid conclusion that people of certain ethnicities groom young girls for sex, the one common denominator as i see it is that it always involves men and a few women who are sexual deviants.

It is time we get to the real truth, far too many young girls and boys have suffered from sexual abuse and it needs to stop. it needs to stop now.

We need to hold a full national inquiry right now to stop those on the idiotic fringe of the far right spreading their poison even further.
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So, to summarise
A. The most important thing is not that a dozen "grooming" gangs preyed upon thousands of kids for decades without punishment
The most vital thing is to prevent someone from the "far right" getting political capital.
B. All of us who notice a pattern in the hundreds of perpetrators, are "far right", nothing to see.
C. There was no link between the identity of those responsible and the desperate desire from police and councils to cover it up.
D. In order for continue to cover up their identity, let us pretend there is no difference between 1. isolated abuse cases and 2. mass scale, organised grooming where underage girls were passed around among grown men like meat.
Because, the former would obviously be a much bigger sample and therefore mask the demographic in the second.
E. While we are at it, let's also club together the specific "Asians" responsible in every single gang with similar looking Indian Hindu / Sikhs who somehow manage the difficult task of NOT "grooming" girls on an industrial scale.
Because pretending that the common factor was race, not religious identity, is the the way to be "non racist"

Did I get that right, I hope?
 
A lot of people live under the delusion that a modern state can run on peanuts.

In Bury, they are recruiting social workers from distant lands (e.g. African countries) because they can't find enough natives to do the job for the pitiful wages offered.

This touches on another issue often discussed here. But the truth is, public services are constantly asked to make bricks without straw, then everyone goes mad when they fail.
 
hilts said:
Surely to God if there was one thing everyone should agree on that isn't debatable is that trying to protect children from abuse is an absolute given.
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There seems to be a lot of people who think abused children are acceptable collateral in our pursuit of multicultural diversity.
 
BrianW said:
A lot of people live under the delusion that a modern state can run on peanuts.

In Bury, they are recruiting social workers from distant lands (e.g. African countries) because they can't find enough natives to do the job for the pitiful wages offered.

This touches on another issue often discussed here. But the truth is, public services are constantly asked to make bricks without straw, then everyone goes mad when they fail.
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I would disagree that a lot of people are under the delusion that a modern state can be run for peanuts, the exact opposite if anything.
The problem appears to be no growth, already historically high taxation, a govt that made certain promises on tax that has now severely restricted their options and a budget that had a negative effect on their usp of getting the economy growing

You tax poorly you harm the economy and investment

You talk down the economy you shatter confidence and harm the economy

You borrow to much the financial sector reacts poorly stock markets suffer and the economy suffers

You cut taxes hoping it picks up the economy public services and people continue to suffer until.it does which may not happen.

We have quickly got into a position where Starmer and Reeves have decided that warm pensioners, paper clips and now benefit street are the things holding us back from the nirvana of piddling growth 2% inflation and more folks in the country to service. Once this will be done we will be fine?

They are already talks of having to make more tough decisions because the age old bollocks of a fully costed manifesto was never that because within a click of the fingers the forecasts ended up being nothing more than bad guesswork.

That hidden black hole found in a wardrobe at Downing Street now appears to be what it always was a partially made total insignificance.

Anyhow if the disabled and/or the poor do now need to help out rather than multi nationals which let's face it have been treated terribly for years under the Tories that's fine I guess. That's what you Starmites voted for right? That's what Labour pledged yes?

We cannot protect the likes of Amazon(1400 ambulance call outs in 5 years) unless the poor and infirm(they can wait for their ambulance cheeky fuckers) start pulling their weight.

Who knew those with the broadest shoulders actually meant the obese benefit claimant.
 
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Blue Maverick said:
I think he means the way to protect them by having the right agencies to look after them are not there due to that wonderful thing called austerity
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I wondered when all of this - that is the horrific, systematic abuse of thousands of young girls by organised gangs - was going to be blamed on austerity.

Didn’t take long.

Somewhat inconvenient then that the large majority of charges brought, however belatedly, relate to offences which occurred before 2010. The first reports of problems in Rotherham for instance were passed to the police in 2001. And what difference would additional funding make if the crimes being reported were not properly investigated because of the demographic of the people involved?

Very little I would suggest, which is why we need a full government inquiry into why the issue was ignored for so long, identify the motivation for covering this up and hold the people responsible to account.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I wondered when all of this - that is the horrific, systematic abuse of thousands of young girls by organised gangs - was going to be blamed on austerity.

Didn’t take long.

Somewhat inconvenient then that the large majority of charges brought, however belatedly, relate to offences which occurred before 2010. The first reports of problems in Rotherham for instance were passed to the police in 2001. And what difference would additional funding make if the crimes being reported were not properly investigated because of the demographic of the people involved?

Very little I would suggest, which is why we need a full government inquiry into why the issue was ignored for so long, identify the motivation for covering this up and hold the people responsible to account.
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Indeed you are right but it’s only been exacerbated because a lot of the services these girls should’ve been protected by, social services have been decimated, sheltered accommodation all the support services that would’ve helped these kids have gone, id say even more so the culture of not been able to speak out due to been called a racist or investigate because of that is the main cause.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Indeed you are right but it’s only been exacerbated because a lot of the services these girls should’ve been protected by, social services have been decimated, sheltered accommodation all the support services that would’ve helped these kids have gone, id say even more so the culture of not been able to speak out due to been called a racist or investigate because of that is the main cause.
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Don’t quite agree.

The girls went to social services and the police were involved.

They got ignored and it’s quite clear from evidence that the race of the accused played a huge factor in that.

You can’t blame a lack of funding for that I’m afraid.
 
Rascal said:
We need to hold a full national inquiry right now to stop those on the idiotic fringe of the far right spreading their poison even further.
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I think it would be better to hold a full national enquiry to identify the actions needed to prevent the systematic rape and abuse of children and to bring to justice those responsible as well as their enablers. There are already 20 such actions that have been identified and that should be being vigorously pursued and implemented.

Naturally it is a highly emotive topic, but labelling anyone seeking such an outcome as being "far-right" is part of the problem, not the solution.
 
It appears there were undoubtedly failings by the relevant authorities concerned; whether that be lack of resources or the willingness (for whatever reason) of wanting to pursue the perpetrators concerned.
However, let's not pass the buck here. It's gross. Whoever commits such offences is the one who is primarily responsible. Deflecting blame onto other possible factors detracts from that and actually makes my skin crawl.
 
BrianW said:
A lot of people live under the delusion that a modern state can run on peanuts.

In Bury, they are recruiting social workers from distant lands (e.g. African countries) because they can't find enough natives to do the job for the pitiful wages offered.

This touches on another issue often discussed here. But the truth is, public services are constantly asked to make bricks without straw, then everyone goes mad when they fail.
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I don't think anyone would be comfortable paying more in taxes when so much of it is wasted. A modern state can always be run more efficiently with the resources it has, and that doesn't mean cutting front line services. Look at how much tax payers money has been wasted on infrastructure projects alone. It's precisely this level of government waste (at the local and national level) that is having a direct impact on front line services such a police, the NHS and social services.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I don't think anyone would be comfortable paying more in taxes when so much of it is wasted. A modern state can always be run more efficiently with the resources it has, and that doesn't mean cutting front line services. Look at how much tax payers money has been wasted on infrastructure projects alone. It's precisely this level of government waste (at the local and national level) that is having a direct impact on front line services such a police, the NHS and social services.
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If you know how to eliminate waste from an organisation in an effective way, you will be a billionaire in no time. That's the Holy Grail of all organisations, private and public, and has never been achieved anywhere. It's like saying machines would run better with no friction. Of course they would, and you can do various things to minimise it. But eliminate it?

This is the cop-out that every government has come up with for a good 40 years. 'We can have better services for less money by cutting waste.'

So why has no one ever achieved it?
 
Sorry don’t know how to add a video, but if you’re interested look for interview with Raja Miah on YouTube
 
BrianW said:
If you know how to eliminate waste from an organisation in an effective way, you will be a billionaire in no time. That's the Holy Grail of all organisations, private and public, and has never been achieved anywhere. It's like saying machines would run better with no friction. Of course they would, and you can do various things to minimise it. But eliminate it?

This is the cop-out that every government has come up with for a good 40 years. 'We can have better services for less money by cutting waste.'

So why has no one ever achieved it?
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The people within an organisation who experience the direct effects of waste are usually the lowest paid workers. Sure they express their concerns to some shop floor manager who then takes it to the weekly meeting and reports it up the chain to some middle manager who wants to make an impression with the facility manager so they just nod sagely and say everything's fine. And the facility manager is nearing retirement age and doesn't wan to rock the boat with the regional manager, and the regional manager is angling for a position at head office.... and rinse and repeat. As long as everyone is getting paid, and the money is still coming in nothing ever changes.
 
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