Grooming gang scandal

[Vic]

You're so wrong there. It was all about protecting the Pakistani rapists, the victims were the collateral damage.
I drove a hackney for a few years and knew exactly what some of them got away with regarding their conduct as a cabbie. Nothing ever stays a secret in that job. Complaints were swept under the carpet because every time the race card would be pulled and the local authority didn't have the balls to take them on.

Ah - did you personally report it?

If not, that makes you part of the cover up.

A few years back CCTV was made mandatory in our LA which led to quite a few looking for alternative employment because they knew that they'd finally be found out.
I also did some private hire work and the company I worked for would never have a Pakistani on their books! No problem for Indians though.

 

[tweety]

Ah - did you personally report it?

If not, that makes you part of the cover up.

Er, the women that were harassed and assaulted did that. Strange question.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Because they felt the local inquiry at Telford was a satisfactory model for other local inquiries.

You'll now have to read the Telford inquiry to judge whether that is true.

That government would be a Tory government.

Has anyone been prosecuted for Grenfell?

The recommendations of the Casey audit outline in simple terms why the national inquiry was required.

It really is that simple. So no need to distract and confuse, as much as you feel the need to do so, for some strange reason.

 

[johnnytapia]

again I would stress my age and say that it was common for mainstream entertainment in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's to have an attitude towards young women in my youth that would not be tolerated now. I could show a multitude of clips but go back on YT yourself an look at clips of Benny Hill, Carry On ... insert the film here, Confessions of ...... insert name of file here - and many others. You will see loads of grown men chasing and lusting after women dressed in school uniforms. It's not new but it’s an underlying shitty misogynism that has pervaded the male mind set for centuries. It’s about learning and knowing what is right and what is wrong.

Benny Hill!!!! Ha ha ha. Fucking hell mate. That’s some equivalence.
To reiterate: Pakistani men are an absolute danger, here and now, to our women, our children, our society as a whole. But crack on, Sid James once tickled Babs’ bum.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Benny Hill!!!! Ha ha ha. Fucking hell mate. That’s some equivalence.
To reiterate: Pakistani men are an absolute danger, here and now, to our women, our children, our society as a whole. But crack on, Sid James once tickled Babs’ bum.

All Pakistani men?

 

[Hertzblue]

Something i recommend people who really want to understand this have a look into, is the issues that come with the Mirpuri pakistanis. I would put money that the vast majority of the men involved in the grooming gangs are from that region. I know this from Pakistani friends who fucking detest them, partly because most of the bad stereotypes of Pakistanis is because of that exact crowd and they get lumped in with them. We had serious issues with them and their kids being complete bastards towards my daughter when she was in primary school in Levenshulme, but so did everyone who wasn't exactly like them, including British born pakistanis, and the black kids got it the worst (they were significantly in the majority at her school and i know for a fact the problems there haven't stopped). Really grim ultra religious zealots.

Saying all of this as this nuance is really fucking important and i hope it starts to get discussed more. Pakistan's a big place, it's the lot from Mirpur who are almost entirely causing all of this shit.

Hi Jon
Looks like your point in regards to Mirpur may well be open for discussion. Extract from an article in today's Telegraph.

 

[johnnytapia]

Why?

Ask a woman

 

[johnnytapia]

All Pakistani men?

No idea. The ones I’ve worked with; the ones I’ve heard about from colleagues, professionals and socially, absolutely. They’re a fucking nightmare.

 

[Hertzblue]

All Pakistani men?

You're back.
How you thought of answer to my question yesterday ?

 

[johnnytapia]

The mental gymnastics on here : we’re nailed on for gold at the next Olympics.
“What about Benny Hill?”
Cue a rousing rendition of “God Save the King.”….

 

[bluethrunthru]

No idea. The ones I’ve worked with; the ones I’ve heard about from colleagues, professionals and socially, absolutely. They’re a fucking nightmare.

Ok I'll tell my GP you think he is probably a pedo

 

[bluethrunthru]

No idea. The ones I’ve worked with; the ones I’ve heard about from colleagues, professionals and socially, absolutely. They’re a fucking nightmare.

Oh and another thought ...... did you report any of these men to the authorities because of your suspicions or even knowledge of their actions?

 

[Hertzblue]

The irony.

She makes makes a post about political point scoring and you do exactly the same.

AlL LaYbUrS FaLt!

Not as ironic as receiving support now for something that she tried to raise 8 years ago but at that time for saying the same thing as Baroness Casey, Sarah Champion was forced to re-sign her shadow ministerial position, attempts were made in her constituency to force her out as an MP, calls were made for her to be thrown out of the Labour Party and she was forced to take additional Police protection such was the severity attached to the numerous death threats she received. AlL LaYbUrS FaLt!

In regard to my position on point scoring or whatever you wish to call it, I refer you to my post #541 on this thread.

As a reminder..


From a different source on the same topic.
Note paragraph 3
Jahangir Akhtar warned "If Labour wants to keep her seat, they need to get rid of her pretty quick."
There lies the factor that distinguishes and condemns Labour more than the Tories - As we will find out, in these Labour councils they did some of this for Votes !

To understand this please go on YouTube and look up Raja Miah Oldham council, he will explain.

Seriously , sometimes we all don't see things for what they are because it doesn't tie in with our more empirical views but it's never too late to look again with fresh eyes. Baroness Casey has not found anything new, the evidence is all around, you just have to choose to look.

 

[bluejon]

Hi Jon
Looks like your point in regards to Mirpur may well be open for discussion. Extract from an article in today's Telegraph.
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I know about this from Pakistani friends who've struggled with the same crowd, they explained who the dicks were and they can't stand them too. There was significant **** like behaviour we had to put with for a long time at my daughter's primary school, a regressive, arrogant, mega patriarchal, misogynistic, ultra religious crowd of massive weirdos. Seen a baby in a niqab once (that's not meant to go on until 12/13 years old) and couldn't stop laughing as it sounds like a morrisey song.

 

[Stephen Ireland's pants]

Oh and another thought ...... did you report any of these men to the authorities because of your suspicions or even knowledge of their actions?

Did you report benny hill. You are having a nightmare on here . Take some time off and think about the rights and the wrongs as you say . It's always been wrong to shag kid's so no education is needed. Just a jail cell and a good kicking. I ain't sure if you are on the piss take or not . Did Ernie the fastest milk man in the west shag kid's? Did he fuck .

 

[BobKowalski]

I went back and did some digging on the original seven year inquiry into the issue which ended in 2022 and it seems comprehensive enough, quote:

‘…had presided over hundreds of days of evidence in which victims described their treatment and those who had the duty to protect them answered for their failings.

Her team had investigated abuse in churches, schools, custodial institutions, political parties, religious groups, and children's homes.

(It) found that over decades, children had been harmed online, offline, in the UK and abroad, by individuals and paedophile networks, including grooming gangs, on the streets of British towns and cities.’ @BBC

Casey was initially unsure about the need for a further inquiry, but seems persuaded otherwise by a lack of action and the unwillingness of authorities to face their complicity for past inaction and behaviour.

It is astonishing that a seven year inquiry that ended three years ago yielded little in the way of robust action and even more astonishing that authorities and institutions still seem to be in denial over the issue.

I assume Casey will rely heavily on the groundwork done in the original report and its recommendations, meaning her own inquiry should be relatively quick.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I went back and did some digging on the original seven year inquiry into the issue which ended in 2022 and it seems comprehensive enough, quote:

‘…had presided over hundreds of days of evidence in which victims described their treatment and those who had the duty to protect them answered for their failings.

Her team had investigated abuse in churches, schools, custodial institutions, political parties, religious groups, and children's homes.

(It) found that over decades, children had been harmed online, offline, in the UK and abroad, by individuals and paedophile networks, including grooming gangs, on the streets of British towns and cities.’ @BBC

Casey was initially unsure about the need for a further inquiry, but seems persuaded otherwise by a lack of action and the unwillingness of authorities to face their complicity for past inaction and behaviour.

It is astonishing that a seven year inquiry that ended three years ago yielded little in the way of robust action and even more astonishing that authorities and institutions still seem to be in denial over the issue.

I assume Casey will rely heavily on the groundwork done in the original report and its recommendations, meaning her own inquiry should be relatively quick.

Standard for an inquiry. Blame spread thin and wide and can kicked a long way down the road.

Always the way - look at the Iraq inquiry as another example. Years of investigation and legal pontification while Blair etc sail off into the sunset.

Sure? One of our banter merchants may think otherwise.

 

[Vic]

I went back and did some digging on the original seven year inquiry into the issue which ended in 2022 and it seems comprehensive enough, quote:

‘…had presided over hundreds of days of evidence in which victims described their treatment and those who had the duty to protect them answered for their failings.

Her team had investigated abuse in churches, schools, custodial institutions, political parties, religious groups, and children's homes.

(It) found that over decades, children had been harmed online, offline, in the UK and abroad, by individuals and paedophile networks, including grooming gangs, on the streets of British towns and cities.’ @BBC

Casey was initially unsure about the need for a further inquiry, but seems persuaded otherwise by a lack of action and the unwillingness of authorities to face their complicity for past inaction and behaviour.

It is astonishing that a seven year inquiry that ended three years ago yielded little in the way of robust action and even more astonishing that authorities and institutions still seem to be in denial over the issue.

I assume Casey will rely heavily on the groundwork done in the original report and its recommendations, meaning her own inquiry should be relatively quick.

She's not having her own inquiry.

 

[BobKowalski]

She's not having her own inquiry.

Correction noted.

 

[BobKowalski]

Sure? One of our banter merchants may think otherwise.

I think I’m sure :)

Labour implementing recommendations from the first inquiry and Casey’s report should be the immediate step taken. It is bizarre that nothing seems to have happened in nigh on a decade of report/inquiries. Cooper was clear that a lot of this would be done, so that is a positive.

The second inquiry should build on the first inquiry and tackle why no action was taken on the first inquiry’s recommendations and the seeming refusal of authorities to face up to their complicity. This refusal is part of a wider issue with the underreporting of sexual crimes and our preference to cover up failings or blame the victims.

The political point scoring is, to use Casey’s own words, ‘unedifying’ but to be expected, especially from the usual suspects. We all know the game that is being played.