Gushing over royals

[SWP's back]

And what do the royals do with all this money they 'earn'?

It's mainly used to pay for the upkeep of palaces on a day to day basis and pay the staff so in effect all going straight back into the economy.

 

[che_don_john]

I don't think this is entirely fairly represented.
Buck House is only open for a few months, and is a few rooms without gardens as far as I know, so 13M is a lot (I'm surprised it's anywhere near that high, in fact).

Comparing the UK now with France two centuries after the revolution seems disconnected - both have fine royal-related buildings and links, and they all need upkeep. I'm surprised by the Visit Britain quote, but I think whether the 42M (or whatever) sovereign grant represents value for money is opinion rather than something that can be based on fact (see the next point for one instance of royal 'value add').
Andrew is a very good trade presence (when he's not larging it up), and several parts of the world absolutely love a British Royal showing up. He's no diplomat, but doesn't claim to be.
Only Charles does much diplomatic stuff, and he's well respected - certainly not damaging. Several of those mentioned are not covered by the grant anyway.

The third point is the most important one. If not a royal family, we'd have to have a presidential figure of some sort (who'd need a house, guards, security...).

Some very fair points.

I should clarify that if my memory serves correctly the 13m estimated visitors to Buckingham Palace includes those people who basically stand at the gates taking photos, so they've applied a somewhat loose definition of 'visitor'.

A family member worked for the foreign office for a number of years and, according to him at least, Andrew was viewed as more of a damage limitation exercise than as a valuable asset. That's just his opinion, of course! And Charles is not particularly well-respected in many circles, given his propensity to stick his beak in where it's not needed or wanted, and because of his somewhat anti-science crackpot ideas. He is not a bright man, unlike his sister, who I think is bloody brilliant (but sadly not as photogenic as Diana was, and thus probably doesn't get the attention and credit she deserves).

On the third point, I suppose the argument in favour of that would be at that a president would be elected to some degree and also impeachable, and least in theory.

 

[Dave S]

Are you if the opinion that if we dissolved the monarchy tourists would go elsewhere?

I think France has shown that even if you chop their heads off people still come.

The money generated by the Royals is hard to define as it assumes all of the revenue is garnered by tourists hoping to catch a glimpse of them through Buck House Windows.

I think that's bollocks.

I have a real problem with this need to grovel and think these people are majestic and better. A look at the trainwreck family of Liz, Anne apart possibly, you wouldn't send the cunts to the shop for a loaf.

If they are worth as much as is claimed they should pay their own way and the civil list for the lesser royals needs ending.

They are benefit scrounges in every sense and we can't afford the chinless wonders getting a bung simply because they are inbred thick toffs.

Tourists definitely don't come to see these parasites. The Queen, Will and Harry ok, the rest? They couldn't even name them.

Hear hear. I couldn't name them either.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Well you've completely missed how the Royals actually create wealth for the country and are that sad that instead of meeting a world famous international diplomat, you manned the phones in work because God knows somebody as special as YOU couldn't possibly do the grave injustice of shaking somebody's hand in a completely benign ceremony that they'll forget 2 minutes later but you could have had a story for the grandkids about.

So yes, you're the absolutely cliched anti-royalist.

Thank you for your concern for the future generations of little Moons, medium Moon who is 26 & in the services is actually quite agreeable on my selfless act for all the royalists I worked with.

Life is about principles it's not the WWE where sides are changed week in week out.

Sheeple are welcome to do whatever they want within the law and if I don't agree with the masses I won't buy into it.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I'm a fan of the monarchy but the only two that I like at the present are the Queen and Prince Harry. I can see why people don't care for them but I see them as a part of my culture and my history.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

A difficult dilema as they are now only figure heads that hold little sway in the ruling of our fine nation.
I like our Queen and the Queen mother formerly Queen Elizabeth and our brave King who both stayed with their subjects through the war years.

The wider monarchy has let the side down massively over the decades behaving at times like utter gibbons.
With rule comes responsibility decorum and servtitude of the nation.
I believe our Queen could rule our country even on a political nuance but rightly or wrongly Cromwell put paid to that.

Charles one day will be King.
I saw him at Pompey regualry in his young lad days as he was assigned to Bronnington out of Vernon harbour.
I also met him again at Di Lusso Kitchens and we spent a minute or two reminicing of days gone bye.
I did not really see Diana as a pricess of hearts etc .
When she passed there was mass hytsrieria falling right off the abominabal rictor scale and farsical beyond belief.
In fact one big Peyton Place soap opera in full nonchalent swing with the assistance of the media.
It was sad to see the princess pass away but the manafactured grief was at times nausiating.
She lived her life like a candle in the wind ? .. .. Good job Elton.

Here is real royality at work in the servtitude of their subjects eh ..
Our King and Queen never ever deserted their posts during Britains darkest days.

Copy and paste..
Many people thought it too dangerous for the King and Queen to remain in London.
But Queen Elizabeth said "the Princesses will not leave us, I cannot leave the King and the King will never leave."
They worked from Buckingham Palace during the week, visiting Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret at Windsor Castle at the weekends.

 

[KS55]

And the Crown Estates revenues go straight to HMRC and more than cover any cost.

Well yes, except that the Queen receives 10% of the Crown Estate revenues, surely enough to pay for her own decorating. And from where does the crown estate spring? Try looking first at the rape of the north by Williams men.

 

[SWP's back]

Well yes, except that the Queen receives 10% of the Crown Estate revenues, surely enough to pay for her own decorating. And from where does the crown estate spring? Try looking first at the rape of the north by Williams men.

Harried them really. And it worked a treat.

 

[KS55]

A difficult dilema as they are now only figure heads that hold little sway in the ruling of our fine nation.
I like our Queen and the Queen mother formerly Queen Elizabeth and our brave King who both stayed with their subjects through the war years.

The wider monarchy has let the side down massively over the decades behaving at times like utter gibbons.
With rule comes responsibility decorum and servtitude of the nation.
I believe our Queen could rule our country even on a political nuance but rightly or wrongly Cromwell put paid to that.

Charles one day will be King.
I saw him at Pompey regualry in his young lad days as he was assigned to Bronnington out of Vernon harbour.
I also met him again at Di Lusso Kitchens and we spent a minute or two reminicing of days gone bye.
I did not really see Diana as a pricess of hearts etc .
When she passed there was mass hytsrieria falling right off the abominabal rictor scale and farsical beyond belief.
In fact one big Peyton Place soap opera in full nonchalent swing with the assistance of the media.
It was sad to see the princess pass away but the manafactured grief was at times nausiating.
She lived her life like a candle in the wind ? .. .. Good job Elton.

Here is real royality at work in the servtitude of their subjects eh ..
Our King and Queen never ever deserted their posts during Britains darkest days.

Copy and paste..
Many people thought it too dangerous for the King and Queen to remain in London.
But Queen Elizabeth said "the Princesses will not leave us, I cannot leave the King and the King will never leave."
They worked from Buckingham Palace during the week, visiting Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret at Windsor Castle at the weekends.

No they didn't stay with their subjects. They fucked off to Windsor and Churchill effectively ordered them back, by slyly mentioning the monarchy would be in danger otherwise.

 

[SWP's back]

No they didn't stay with their subjects. They fucked off to Windsor and Churchill effectively ordered them back, by slyly mentioning the monarchy would be in danger otherwise.

I'm glad it upsets you that your dream of a republic won't happen in your life time.