Guvnors Book

[Prestwich_Blue]

That's why Anna Connell started a sports club, to stop young men fighting and to divert their energies into something else.

 

[Stevies Bald Head!]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

this scene was at its height mainly late 70's right up until the late 80's. the anomosity between northern clubs such as city, leeds and liverpool stems from many different resons. one being clubs honours and the simple glory rival that arrives. others being out right hate for people from areas that are seen to be scummy such as we hate scouser so if they came hear and took the piss we wouldnt be too chuffed! i aint a phycologist but that how i merely see it between us local teams.

every team south of watford has a mob. london is a weird place and is often divided into areas due to its size. for example north west and north london is Spurs and Arsnal country. The south is Chelsea, they used to have a massive mob and took the piss at city in 84 big time. and the east is faught out betwen the obviouse west ham and millwall.

Cool cats was city's firm in the late 70's early 80's, mayneline was city earlly 80's.
then came the forming of the Guvnors that stretched from earlly 80's right up until present day. the young guvnors were all the younger teens from that area who would grow up to be guvnors.

Most of city were from south manchester, places like moss side, hulme, longsight, whalley range. however mnay blues from middleton area and bury, rochdale way.
Didsbury dave if i'm wrong please correct me. ctid

Nowt wrong with that post. City always had lots of lads from other "Blue" areas like Gorton, Moston, Blackley, Chadderton too.

It was tribal, simple as that. Working class youths have always faught with youths from other areas to let off steam, build bonds with each other and just for the sheer buzz. Football became the vehicle for that and, whilst the injuries, stabbings and deaths which occured were horrendous and unforgiveable, and the damage to football irreversable, you really can't comprehend what it felt like to get off a train in an enemy city with your mates and 100 others. You knew an ambush could be waiting anywhere and you knew it was dangerous. But what a buzz to know that you were all together. And what an incredible buzz it was to chase off the ambush party.

It was a matter of pride for working class lads in those days. Everyone talked about it.

You say moston DD, ive always seen this as a really big Rag/Mib area? ive heard they even have there own handy little fim now think its called the Moston Rats who apparently are young but not scared. ctid

 

[blue_paul]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

this scene was at its height mainly late 70's right up until the late 80's. the anomosity between northern clubs such as city, leeds and liverpool stems from many different resons. one being clubs honours and the simple glory rival that arrives. others being out right hate for people from areas that are seen to be scummy such as we hate scouser so if they came hear and took the piss we wouldnt be too chuffed! i aint a phycologist but that how i merely see it between us local teams.

every team south of watford has a mob. london is a weird place and is often divided into areas due to its size. for example north west and north london is Spurs and Arsnal country. The south is Chelsea, they used to have a massive mob and took the piss at city in 84 big time. and the east is faught out betwen the obviouse west ham and millwall.

Cool cats was city's firm in the late 70's early 80's, mayneline was city earlly 80's.
then came the forming of the Guvnors that stretched from earlly 80's right up until present day. the young guvnors were all the younger teens from that area who would grow up to be guvnors.

Most of city were from south manchester, places like moss side, hulme, longsight, whalley range. however mnay blues from middleton area and bury, rochdale way.
Didsbury dave if i'm wrong please correct me. ctid

Nowt wrong with that post. City always had lots of lads from other "Blue" areas like Gorton, Moston, Blackley, Chadderton too.

It was tribal, simple as that. Working class youths have always faught with youths from other areas to let off steam, build bonds with each other and just for the sheer buzz. Football became the vehicle for that and, whilst the injuries, stabbings and deaths which occured were horrendous and unforgiveable, and the damage to football irreversable, you really can't comprehend what it felt like to get off a train in an enemy city with your mates and 100 others. You knew an ambush could be waiting anywhere and you knew it was dangerous. But what a buzz to know that you were all together. And what an incredible buzz it was to chase off the ambush party.

It was a matter of pride for working class lads in those days. Everyone talked about it.

Interesting Dave, it's just an extention of gang culture in a way then but what really interests me is how influential it is in terms of youth culture.
Is it true you all stopped kicking seven bells out of each other when the whole rave scene started up?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I don't know Moston too well to be honest Stevie but there were a number of Blues from that area who were active many years ago.

Yes, the Moston Rats. I could tell youa thing or two about them.

Little teenage chavvy cunts they are, all black jogging bottoms, hoodies and pasty skin.

They had a period a couple of years ago where they were picking off Blues on there was home from COMS. Then a City firm got together and kicked fuck out of them and they never did it again.

They also tried it on after a COMS derby about 2 years ago. They hid from City's firm after the game and sneaked around the gasworks side of the ground via Asda. They launched an attack on about 20 Blues waiting for a coach or minibus or something. They didn't realise that a lot of these lads were Old city lads from the time we have been talking about and got chased all over.

i think (although I might be wrong) that these "Rats" also were the core of the United firm which got a taste of its own medicine after we had played Stoke Away.

I don't condone violence at all but these hoodie little scrubbers deserved the above kickings for bullying ordinary fans. They appear to be indictative of a new breed of football hooligan - scrotey kids who will pull a knife or atack someone 5 onto 1 but who run when someone makes a stand.

I also believe City have a similar small young firm now. They got mullared off Bolton but "did" West Ham. Apparently.

 

[Stevies Bald Head!]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

this scene was at its height mainly late 70's right up until the late 80's. the anomosity between northern clubs such as city, leeds and liverpool stems from many different resons. one being clubs honours and the simple glory rival that arrives. others being out right hate for people from areas that are seen to be scummy such as we hate scouser so if they came hear and took the piss we wouldnt be too chuffed! i aint a phycologist but that how i merely see it between us local teams.

every team south of watford has a mob. london is a weird place and is often divided into areas due to its size. for example north west and north london is Spurs and Arsnal country. The south is Chelsea, they used to have a massive mob and took the piss at city in 84 big time. and the east is faught out betwen the obviouse west ham and millwall.

Cool cats was city's firm in the late 70's early 80's, mayneline was city earlly 80's.
then came the forming of the Guvnors that stretched from earlly 80's right up until present day. the young guvnors were all the younger teens from that area who would grow up to be guvnors.

Most of city were from south manchester, places like moss side, hulme, longsight, whalley range. however mnay blues from middleton area and bury, rochdale way.
Didsbury dave if i'm wrong please correct me. ctid

Nowt wrong with that post. City always had lots of lads from other "Blue" areas like Gorton, Moston, Blackley, Chadderton too.

It was tribal, simple as that. Working class youths have always faught with youths from other areas to let off steam, build bonds with each other and just for the sheer buzz. Football became the vehicle for that and, whilst the injuries, stabbings and deaths which occured were horrendous and unforgiveable, and the damage to football irreversable, you really can't comprehend what it felt like to get off a train in an enemy city with your mates and 100 others. You knew an ambush could be waiting anywhere and you knew it was dangerous. But what a buzz to know that you were all together. And what an incredible buzz it was to chase off the ambush party.

It was a matter of pride for working class lads in those days. Everyone talked about it.

Interesting Dave, it's just an extention of gang culture in a way then but what really interests me is how influential it is in terms of youth culture.
Is it true you all stopped kicking seven bells out of each other when the whole rave scene started up?

FV partly died down a abit imo as the rave seen kicked in with loved up drugs like extacy everywhere yet FV violence was still there no matter. Too some getting high as a kite on e's and all loved up was nothing compared to the sheer buzz of being pissed and having a tear up. just my opinion. ctid

 

[Stevies Bald Head!]

I don't know Moston too well to be honest Stevie but there were a number of Blues from that area who were active many years ago.

Yes, the Moston Rats. I could tell youa thing or two about them.

Little teenage chavvy ***** they are, all black jogging bottoms, hoodies and pasty skin.

They had a period a couple of years ago where they were picking off Blues on there was home from COMS. Then a City firm got together and kicked fuck out of them and they never did it again.

They also tried it on after a COMS derby about 2 years ago. They hid from City's firm after the game and sneaked around the gasworks side of the ground via Asda. They launched an attack on about 20 Blues waiting for a coach or minibus or something. They didn't realise that a lot of these lads were Old city lads from the time we have been talking about and got chased all over.

i think (although I might be wrong) that these "Rats" also were the core of the United firm which got a taste of its own medicine after we had played Stoke Away.

I don't condone violence at all but these hoodie little scrubbers deserved the above kickings for bullying ordinary fans. They appear to be indictative of a new breed of football hooligan - scrotey kids who will pull a knife or atack someone 5 onto 1 but who run when someone makes a stand.

I also believe City have a similar small young firm now. They got mullared off Bolton but "did" West Ham. Apparently.

yea true mate horrible cnuts!! i think this is lowest form of hooliganism and im glad that they did get a taste of thier own medicine. i did hear a few stories about bolton, outside a pub there were city lads flying thew windows and all sorts. not heard about west ham as dont really take that much interest nowadays.

United imo are renowed for there bullying techniques and from what ive seen/heard when there are similar numbers the table often gets turned! ctid

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Is it true you all stopped kicking seven bells out of each other when the whole rave scene started up?

Yes and No.

A lot of the people who kickstarted the dance scene in the North West were football lads. And it's true that Ecstasy intruduced a lot of these people to peace and harmony (without being to cheesy about it) and the rise of E culture certainly hit the football violence scene. You would go to a rave and there would be scousers, Leeds lads etc and everyone would just get on. Before E there would have been a guaranteed fight.

But this period was also when the police got their act together and arrested many hooligans. City's firm never recovered from "Operation Omega". And all ticket games arrived, and seating. These all had an impact.

the real keen football hooligans, the real loons, didn't care for E and Love and Peace so they kept it going - some still go today, so E didn't kill the scene.

But for large numbers of young men at the time, like me, we found something a whole lot better through the Rave scene - and became better people, I think.

 

[coleridge]

Madchester coincided with Hillsborough, although I think that the 5-1 fighting on the pitch was in September 1989 [shockingly when you think back!]. Thereafter, we all took some chill pills, wore hooded tops [I didn't go as far as flares], began to flog fanzines and eventually hailed the return of King Frannie, the great false dawn of them all, whilst singing along to Oasis. Obviously, the all seater stadia had a big impact [and you couldn't get away with smoking weed after that] but the tide had already turned come 1990 and football was better for it, although ours wasn't, as we all know. The 1989 Summer of Love was a superb time to be a Mancunian in your early twenties, like me, 'Who Needs Acid When You've Got City?' being an all-time favourite T-Shirt of mine. For me, that was always the end of the hoollies, and not a moment too soon.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

You're not wrong, colridge, that it was a truly brilliant time to be around.

E Culture was the last true youth revolution.

 

[liamctid]

I would love to get my hands on a shirt like that - thats classic!