Guvnors Book

[Didsbury Dave]

There is no doubt that in the 70's and 80's hooliginsm was rife and werever you went they was most proberbly going to be some sort of trouble whether it be a few digs exchanged or a full scale mass brawl with it going of everywhere.
There is no doubt with disasters such as hillsborough and heysel that fired hooligans into world news, that something had to be done and something was done. Policing techniques got better along with the development of CCTV and this was the demise of the ''old school hooligan'' who would kick off wherever and whenever he could.

Hooliginism nowadays is well underground but it is still around. Take stoke away this year, city had a right crew out that day and it was easy to see, yet the firm was wired from the start by dibble. they new when they were hear, who was about, were it could potentially go off and did a good job at stopping trouble, although the organisation of those buses was a discrace. With city's lads having a firm out that evening/night it kicked of in town with the rags with apparently city coming out on top. it just shows that if you go looking for it you will get it.

Now i dont condone hooliginism nor do i revil in it i feel that the lads who took part init during the 70's and 80's did it for a purpose whther it be for the buzz, how they grew up or simply just to do something different on a saturday afternoon. There is no doubt innocent people did caught up in it i mean lets be honest going to the swamp, anfiled or leeds back the n it was hard not too. Guvnors is a Good read and there is a point to reading it as its interesting relating to away days that you went to when something happened. ctid

That's a good post, mate.

There is another book out which noone has mentioned called "Sully" which is the story of a well known City lad who was involved for many years - including the Mayne Line. His book is as honest and revealing as Mickey Francis's and is worth a read. It also comes right up to date, pretty much, although he is clearly on the fringes.

 

[blue_paul]

There is no doubt that in the 70's and 80's hooliginsm was rife and werever you went they was most proberbly going to be some sort of trouble whether it be a few digs exchanged or a full scale mass brawl with it going of everywhere.
There is no doubt with disasters such as hillsborough and heysel that fired hooligans into world news, that something had to be done and something was done. Policing techniques got better along with the development of CCTV and this was the demise of the ''old school hooligan'' who would kick off wherever and whenever he could.

Hooliginism nowadays is well underground but it is still around. Take stoke away this year, city had a right crew out that day and it was easy to see, yet the firm was wired from the start by dibble. they new when they were hear, who was about, were it could potentially go off and did a good job at stopping trouble, although the organisation of those buses was a discrace. With city's lads having a firm out that evening/night it kicked of in town with the rags with apparently city coming out on top. it just shows that if you go looking for it you will get it.

Now i dont condone hooliginism nor do i revil in it i feel that the lads who took part init during the 70's and 80's did it for a purpose whther it be for the buzz, how they grew up or simply just to do something different on a saturday afternoon. There is no doubt innocent people did caught up in it i mean lets be honest going to the swamp, anfiled or leeds back the n it was hard not too. Guvnors is a Good read and there is a point to reading it as its interesting relating to away days that you went to when something happened. ctid

That's a good post, mate.

There is another book out which noone has mentioned called "Sully" which is the story of a well known City lad who was involved for many years - including the Mayne Line. His book is as honest and revealing as Mickey Francis's and is worth a read. It also comes right up to date, pretty much, although he is clearly on the fringes.

Dave/Steve's Bald Head,
Would City's firm of had a far right/Loyalist element in it? I know that there was obviously black guys in it but is the supposed Rangers connection with City due to our hooligan element?

 

[Stevies Bald Head!]

There is no doubt that in the 70's and 80's hooliginsm was rife and werever you went they was most proberbly going to be some sort of trouble whether it be a few digs exchanged or a full scale mass brawl with it going of everywhere.
There is no doubt with disasters such as hillsborough and heysel that fired hooligans into world news, that something had to be done and something was done. Policing techniques got better along with the development of CCTV and this was the demise of the ''old school hooligan'' who would kick off wherever and whenever he could.

Hooliginism nowadays is well underground but it is still around. Take stoke away this year, city had a right crew out that day and it was easy to see, yet the firm was wired from the start by dibble. they new when they were hear, who was about, were it could potentially go off and did a good job at stopping trouble, although the organisation of those buses was a discrace. With city's lads having a firm out that evening/night it kicked of in town with the rags with apparently city coming out on top. it just shows that if you go looking for it you will get it.

Now i dont condone hooliginism nor do i revil in it i feel that the lads who took part init during the 70's and 80's did it for a purpose whther it be for the buzz, how they grew up or simply just to do something different on a saturday afternoon. There is no doubt innocent people did caught up in it i mean lets be honest going to the swamp, anfiled or leeds back the n it was hard not too. Guvnors is a Good read and there is a point to reading it as its interesting relating to away days that you went to when something happened. ctid

That's a good post, mate.

There is another book out which noone has mentioned called "Sully" which is the story of a well known City lad who was involved for many years - including the Mayne Line. His book is as honest and revealing as Mickey Francis's and is worth a read. It also comes right up to date, pretty much, although he is clearly on the fringes.

yea thinking of having a look at that, ive read a few hooly books and i must admit and im not being biased but along with Scally by the Everton top boy Guvnors is as honest as it could get and as good a read it could get. Might check ''Sully'' out. If he still gets involved he's doing well ha Mayneline was donalds lads if i remember correctly. used to go from piccadilly
ctid

 

[1_barry_conlon]

There is no doubt that in the 70's and 80's hooliginsm was rife and werever you went they was most proberbly going to be some sort of trouble whether it be a few digs exchanged or a full scale mass brawl with it going of everywhere.
There is no doubt with disasters such as hillsborough and heysel that fired hooligans into world news, that something had to be done and something was done. Policing techniques got better along with the development of CCTV and this was the demise of the ''old school hooligan'' who would kick off wherever and whenever he could.

Hooliginism nowadays is well underground but it is still around. Take stoke away this year, city had a right crew out that day and it was easy to see, yet the firm was wired from the start by dibble. they new when they were hear, who was about, were it could potentially go off and did a good job at stopping trouble, although the organisation of those buses was a discrace. With city's lads having a firm out that evening/night it kicked of in town with the rags with apparently city coming out on top. it just shows that if you go looking for it you will get it.

Now i dont condone hooliginism nor do i revil in it i feel that the lads who took part init during the 70's and 80's did it for a purpose whther it be for the buzz, how they grew up or simply just to do something different on a saturday afternoon. There is no doubt innocent people did caught up in it i mean lets be honest going to the swamp, anfiled or leeds back the n it was hard not too. Guvnors is a Good read and there is a point to reading it as its interesting relating to away days that you went to when something happened. ctid

That's a good post, mate.

There is another book out which noone has mentioned called "Sully" which is the story of a well known City lad who was involved for many years - including the Mayne Line. His book is as honest and revealing as Mickey Francis's and is worth a read. It also comes right up to date, pretty much, although he is clearly on the fringes.

Dave/Steve's Bald Head,
Would City's firm of had a far right/Loyalist element in it? I know that there was obviously black guys in it but is the supposed Rangers connection with City due to our hooligan element?

There was no far right in it i can assure you. And no Rangers connection.

 

[Stevies Bald Head!]

There is no doubt that in the 70's and 80's hooliginsm was rife and werever you went they was most proberbly going to be some sort of trouble whether it be a few digs exchanged or a full scale mass brawl with it going of everywhere.
There is no doubt with disasters such as hillsborough and heysel that fired hooligans into world news, that something had to be done and something was done. Policing techniques got better along with the development of CCTV and this was the demise of the ''old school hooligan'' who would kick off wherever and whenever he could.

Hooliginism nowadays is well underground but it is still around. Take stoke away this year, city had a right crew out that day and it was easy to see, yet the firm was wired from the start by dibble. they new when they were hear, who was about, were it could potentially go off and did a good job at stopping trouble, although the organisation of those buses was a discrace. With city's lads having a firm out that evening/night it kicked of in town with the rags with apparently city coming out on top. it just shows that if you go looking for it you will get it.

Now i dont condone hooliginism nor do i revil in it i feel that the lads who took part init during the 70's and 80's did it for a purpose whther it be for the buzz, how they grew up or simply just to do something different on a saturday afternoon. There is no doubt innocent people did caught up in it i mean lets be honest going to the swamp, anfiled or leeds back the n it was hard not too. Guvnors is a Good read and there is a point to reading it as its interesting relating to away days that you went to when something happened. ctid

That's a good post, mate.

There is another book out which noone has mentioned called "Sully" which is the story of a well known City lad who was involved for many years - including the Mayne Line. His book is as honest and revealing as Mickey Francis's and is worth a read. It also comes right up to date, pretty much, although he is clearly on the fringes.

Dave/Steve's Bald Head,
Would City's firm of had a far right/Loyalist element in it? I know that there was obviously black guys in it but is the supposed Rangers connection with City due to our hooligan element?

There was no far right in it i can assure you. And no Rangers connection.

As far as city were concerned if you were a lad no matter what skin colour you were you wernt treated wrongly. Thats why going to places like liverpool and leeds were so agressive one because we were from manchester and two they racist twats and hated ethnic minorities. Theres loads of link between us and rangers but im not to clued up on it. maybe its because Celtic and United wank of each other so rangers is an obvious allie***. I heard a few rangers were in hamburgs end with intent to cause trouble at coms. what dicks! ctid

 

[mancityvstoke]

There was once an arranged fight outside The Brunswick between NF Scotty (from Collyhurst?) and Donald's Cool Cats. (circa 1979)

It never kicked off as NF didnt turn up.

Was a great piss up though.............200 City outside The Brunswick and not a rag in sight.

Great to see.

No Rangers connections. No far right in The Cool Cats...no way.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

City actually used to have several different firms and it wasn't that common for them all to get together as one.

Some of these firms did have NF connections in the 70-s and early 80s, as someone says above, and that alienated them from the Cool Cats and Mayne Line who had lots of blacks.

But the NF thing seemed to die down as those lads got older, and the black/mixed race crews came to the fore and became the centre of City's "Main" firm.

 

[blue_paul]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

 

[liamctid]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

Somebody needs to buy the book!

 

[blue_paul]

Lads,
When was this scene at its height?
you seem to mention going to other Northern towns such as l'pool and leeds, was it mainly a phenomenon between northern mobs and the cockneys had their own scene?
Did you have different groups or do names like 'Mayne line' 'Cool Cats' and 'Guvnors' represent different eras?
What areas of Manchester did most of these lads come from?

Just curious!!

Somebody needs to buy the book!

Just asking a couple of questions Liam, i find the whole hooligan thing an intersting sub-culture, it's hugely influential whatever you think about it, from music to fashion, not just the fighting.