Harry Maguire

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g180aj said:
I would rather spend the 30 Mill on ake
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I think earlier in the season Ake was a higher target. After how poor we've been on corners (how that impacts outcomes), and how his/Bournemouth's performances dropped it's not the same now.

Maguire is doubted by some actually because he's English, and some think therefore overrated as well as because he seems like a big oaf.

I've advocated for him as possible signing for a few years now, and as a rotation player he's ideal for us, and he's HG, so we can lose Delph (who I think Pep is done with now) and we can keep the adequate numbers needed.

The fee will be high, but welcome to buying HG players for a top side in the PL, especially our side where many centre halves/defenders have no chance of getting games due to their poor/ish skills on the ball.

That's why it might be higher than we think it should be. I don't think CIty will pay £60m, but either way the fee will not be his actual value in an untainted market, it's inflated due to these factors as was the case with Walker, Raz, etc. Chillwell might have cost more. We were extremely fortunate getting Delph for the fee we did. Let's be real.

That said, this is why losing Otamendi AND Vinny is an issue. Sure, we can "wait" on Garcia and Sandler to improve, but they can't be our 3rd CB next season. This is reality. We need another proven player at a high level to get games not a youngster. 4th CB can be Garcia/Sandler. Given Delph is off we will need another HG player and Harry actually then fits the mould. Fee be (almost, frustratingly but "what it is") damned.
 
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PrezIke said:
I think earlier in the season Ake was a higher target. After how poor we've been on corners (how that impacts outcomes), and how his/Bournemouth's performances dropped it's not the same now.

Maguire is doubted by some actually because he's English, and some think therefore overrated as well as because he seems like a big oaf.

I've advocated for him as possible signing for a few years now, and as a rotation player he's ideal for us, and he's HG, so we can lose Delph (who I think Pep is done with now) and we can keep the adequate numbers needed.

The fee will be high, but welcome to buying HG players for a top side in the PL, especially our side where many centre halves/defenders have no chance of getting games due to their poor/ish skills on the ball.

That's why it might be higher than we think it should be. I don't think CIty will pay £60m, but either way the fee will not be his actual value in an untainted market, it's inflated due to these factors as was the case with Walker, Raz, etc. Chillwell might have cost more. We were extremely fortunate getting Delph for the fee we did. Let's be real.

That said, this is why losing Otamendi AND Vinny is an issue. Sure, we can "wait" on Garcia and Sandler to improve, but they can't be our 3rd CB next season. This is reality. We need another proven player at a high level to get games not a youngster. 4th CB can be Garcia/Sandler. Given Delph is off we will need another HG player and Harry actually then fits the mould. Fee be (almost, frustratingly but "what it is") damned.
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I don't dislike Harry at all, I just don't think he is worth what is being quoted I honestly would question it at over 40 Mill so to hear as much as 90.....were talking similar money to some of the best forwards in th world, not for me.
 
g180aj said:
I don't dislike Harry at all, I just don't think he is worth what is being quoted I honestly would question it at over 40 Mill so to hear as much as 90.....were talking similar money to some of the best forwards in th world, not for me.
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I'm still at a loss at why people continue to think Nathan Ake will be cheap :? Does he have a cheap release clause I'm unaware of?

Bournemouth paid a record 20 million for him. And you think if a big club wants him they sell him for a mere 10 million profits?

If they do, certainly everyone at the club should be fired for actions detrimental to the club.

Ake to a big club will cost minimum 55 million. And more likely similar to Maguire
 
Dax777 said:
I'm still at a loss at why people continue to think Nathan Ake will be cheap :? Does he have a cheap release clause I'm unaware of?

Bournemouth paid a record 20 million for him. And you think if a big club wants him they sell him for a mere 10 million profits?

If they do, certainly everyone at the club should be fired for actions detrimental to the club.

Ake to a big club will cost minimum 55 million. And more likely similar to Maguire
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Step away from the crack pipe Dax
 
g180aj said:
I don't dislike Harry at all, I just don't think he is worth what is being quoted I honestly would question it at over 40 Mill so to hear as much as 90.....were talking similar money to some of the best forwards in th world, not for me.
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Agee with you . He is a very good defender but when your going over £50 mill it’s a no from me especially when you can have godin for a year on a free.
 
Dax777 said:
Sorry not you, but it's been suggested that he is not an RCB so he won't be a good fit.

The problem I have with him is the same problem I have with most of our recruits, I think they are too expensive. But most don't care about that. Talent wise I think he is juat good enough to play for us.
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I don't think that is true. If he was 10 mil nobody would be bothered that he is shit.
 
Why Maguire? we have 3 better CB's already.....Fern would probably be much better too.
Usual English obsession.....a fullback only as good as his pace, and a CB only as good as his aerial ability......we might have a team of dwarfs, but our goals against was hardly an issue.
 
southamptonblue said:
Why Maguire? we have 3 better CB's already.....Fern would probably be much better too.
Usual English obsession.....a fullback only as good as his pace, and a CB only as good as his aerial ability......we might have a team of dwarfs, but our goals against was hardly an issue.
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while id agree with you wholeheartedly, Pep himself int he last few weeks highlighted at least twice that we lack height and its something he is clearly at least thinking about addressing in some way

Do I want McGuire....no not really at all...Id rather have De Ligt but that looks highly unlikely....Bara want him and will probably get him or someone like Liverpool or Utd cause simply they will pay over the top to get him (which we have shown we won't do in the last few seasons).
There is also the issue of homegrown/engligh players int he squad...if we lose Delph we have to bring in someone English/homegrown I think to fill that spot which leaves us shopping in a limited market
 
Dax777 said:
Wait! What did I say :)
You really don't think Bournemouth would sell their club record buy for 10 million more do you?
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More that you basicly think that Ake and Harry being valued at upwards of £55mill is what should be expected...... That's insanity.
 
g180aj said:
More that you basicly think that Ake and Harry being valued at upwards of £55mill is what should be expected...... That's insanity.
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I agree it is. Except insanity is now the reality. I hate these prices. Hence why I do my own amateur scouting and hope City pick up these gems before they are popular and overpriced.
 
Dax777 said:
I agree it is. Except insanity is now the reality. I hate these prices. Hence why I do my own amateur scouting and hope City pick up these gems before they are popular and overpriced.
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The fact that we walked away from virgil last year but would be willing to pay similar this year for a lesser player.... Sorry Not for me.
Mdl is twice the player at the same price, possibly this gerations version of a maldini/ Puyol etc.
 
g180aj said:
The fact that we walked away from virgil last year ...
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You can't force a player to sign a contract.
He wanted to play for Liverpool and Klopp. End of story.

But is doesn't change a fact that I will feel depressed if we sign Maguire for similiar money to VVD.
 
inconnu said:
You can't force a player to sign a contract.
He wanted to play for Liverpool and Klopp. End of story.

But is doesn't change a fact that I will feel depressed if we sign Maguire for similiar money to VVD.
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City enquired about the availability of vvd the summer before he joined Liverpool and walked away after being quoted the figures he eventually went to Anfield for.
 
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