Has the bubble burst?

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ArniArason

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I've spent a good few hours over the past couple of days looking through a large number of the main threads and the sentiment of posts in them.

There seems to be quite a majority of negative feeling towards the club from top to bottom.

The Exec - 'turning their back on fans, don't do enough to defend the club'
Club Management - 'not fit for purpose, only interested in money, worse than the Swales days'
Team Management - 'lost it, change needed'
Players - 'many not good enough to wear the shirt, or past it'
Fans - 'not interested anymore, preferred the old days, can't be bothered singing, arrive late/leave early'

It feels like, if you were to plot a graph with the fans view of the team's on pitch team performance levels over time, it would look similar to the fans view of off the pitch club performance levels over time.

There has and always will be moaners in this club, as well as the ever optimistic, like any club, but the general feeling from this forum feels like the bubble has burst on and off the pitch. 2 or 3 years ago we were soaring high, most fans seemed happy, now it feels mainly doom and gloom (when on and off the pitch we are actually in pretty good shape)

So has the bubble really burst? Is this the start of the end? or is it just a bit of turbulence that we'll get over? Will a title win and a few changes to ticketing sort it all out, or is it way deeper than that?
 
The frustration towards the team, and to individual players, is nothing new, even when we were winning leagues. I bet you could find pretty good correlations between angry/negative posts re players, Pep and performance, and the results.

But the anger towards board members, and dare i say the ownership, is probably at a record high since the take over. How representative the negativity on BM is of the fanbase is another question, but there is now a vocalisation of it that is undeniable.

I suppose it's a qu of how far does this anger go, and spread, and can it be quelled in a sensible way.
 
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Its not a "bubble"
It’s hard to imagine Pep’s success continuing at that high level, especially in sports where athletes age and other factors come into play.
When things aren’t going as well as they used to, people often get disappointed and look for reasons to blame, which is why you listed those points.
Football, like everything else, changes. The Premier League is no longer just an English league; it’s a global one with fans and followers from all over the world, each with their own cultures and perspectives, which can sometimes clash with the traditional home-based fan. Many dont like it but fortunately or unfortunately its the way its is and wont change back to how it use to be, a home based sport owned and run by local business men made good played. Now we its owned by multi millionaires and billionaires from all over the globe, this is the PL and lesser so the Championship true to some extends of most major European leagues

ArniArason said:
Club Management - 'not fit for purpose, only interested in money, worse than the Swales days'
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To compare it to the swales days is really absolute nonsense that man ruined 25 years of this club's life and the fans who followed it
 
Upper management - Match going fans aren't happy with them and rightly so because they're making decisions that make it worse for us and a worse experience just being at the game. Made worse with decisions to spend stupid money on players who aren't good enough. If they sorted out the ticketing issues then most of these problems go away.

Team management - No, I don't think the majority are asking for this.

Players - The quality has fallen off but we're in transition, some are good enough, some aren't.

Fans - Again, I don't think anyone is yearning for the old days, affordable tickets and a stadium full of blues yes, maybe less technology and less bullshit, but not the quality.


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Modern football is shite for a match going fan but we'd rather be on top of that pile of shit than buried under it, we're not as good as we have been in recent years but it will get better and everyone loves a good whinge.
 
Not really.

The team is the team, we are pretty hit and miss in the first half of the season. This isn't new.

The ticketing situation deserves all the criticism it gets.
 
ArniArason said:
I've spent a good few hours over the past couple of days looking through a large number of the main threads and the sentiment of posts in them.

There seems to be quite a majority of negative feeling towards the club from top to bottom.

The Exec - 'turning their back on fans, don't do enough to defend the club'
Club Management - 'not fit for purpose, only interested in money, worse than the Swales days'
Team Management - 'lost it, change needed'
Players - 'many not good enough to wear the shirt, or past it'
Fans - 'not interested anymore, preferred the old days, can't be bothered singing, arrive late/leave early'

It feels like, if you were to plot a graph with the fans view of the team's on pitch team performance levels over time, it would look similar to the fans view of off the pitch club performance levels over time.

There has and always will be moaners in this club, as well as the ever optimistic, like any club, but the general feeling from this forum feels like the bubble has burst on and off the pitch. 2 or 3 years ago we were soaring high, most fans seemed happy, now it feels mainly doom and gloom (when on and off the pitch we are actually in pretty good shape)

So has the bubble really burst? Is this the start of the end? or is it just a bit of turbulence that we'll get over? Will a title win and a few changes to ticketing sort it all out, or is it way deeper than that?
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On the playing side of things when a team performs worse than previous the players and management will get stick, happens with every club or sports team in the world. You don't even have to have been winning things just regressing in the eyes of the fans.

On the rest of it in terms of where football in this country is heading then if someone hasn't been paying attention then what can one say? People have moaned about it because its been happening for years this transition in the game.

To me the absolute worst people are the nodding dogs and sycophants who will accept anything because we have been very good on the pitch recently.
 
ArniArason said:
I've spent a good few hours over the past couple of days looking through a large number of the main threads and the sentiment of posts in them.

There seems to be quite a majority of negative feeling towards the club from top to bottom.

The Exec - 'turning their back on fans, don't do enough to defend the club'
Club Management - 'not fit for purpose, only interested in money, worse than the Swales days'
Team Management - 'lost it, change needed'
Players - 'many not good enough to wear the shirt, or past it'
Fans - 'not interested anymore, preferred the old days, can't be bothered singing, arrive late/leave early'

It feels like, if you were to plot a graph with the fans view of the team's on pitch team performance levels over time, it would look similar to the fans view of off the pitch club performance levels over time.

There has and always will be moaners in this club, as well as the ever optimistic, like any club, but the general feeling from this forum feels like the bubble has burst on and off the pitch. 2 or 3 years ago we were soaring high, most fans seemed happy, now it feels mainly doom and gloom (when on and off the pitch we are actually in pretty good shape)

So has the bubble really burst? Is this the start of the end? or is it just a bit of turbulence that we'll get over? Will a title win and a few changes to ticketing sort it all out, or is it way deeper than that?
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win tonight and the forum will be full of beans again
 
hilts said:
On the playing side of things when a team performs worse than previous the players and management will get stick, happens with every club or sports team in the world. You don't even have to have been winning things just regressing in the eyes of the fans.

On the rest of it in terms of where football in this country is heading then if someone hasn't been paying attention then what can one say? People have moaned about it because its been happening for years this transition in the game.

To me the absolute worst people are the nodding dogs and sycophants who will accept anything because we have been very good on the pitch recently.
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The last time we won the league I felt distanced by the club, it felt like the club celebrated with celebrities who have nothing to do with the club than with actual City fans.

They either don't understand or don't care that the average fan lives vicariously through the exploits of those on the pitch, it's a bit off putting when those "Hero's" whizz off straight to Instagram or a club sponsored media controlled wankathon instead of bringing the fans in from the cold.
 
mexico1970 said:
The last time we won the league I felt distanced by the club, it felt like the club celebrated with celebrities who have nothing to do with the club than with actual City fans.

They either don't understand or don't care that the average fan lives vicariously through the exploits of those on the pitch, it's a bit off putting when those "Hero's" whizz off straight to Instagram or a club sponsored media controlled wankathon instead of bringing the fans in from the cold.
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I don’t remember that. Which celebrities did the club celebrate with and how?
 
:) This is all perfectly normal behaviour. People are frustrated with performances so the discontent with management comes through. Management have fucked up plenty in the last decade - screwing up the first UEFA FFP, Liverpool hacking, Pinto hacking, superleague fiasco, fan engagement, cow-towing to Liverpool, quiet on Istanbul, amongst others - but it wasn't as much of a problem because, generally, we were winning.

That said, there is a growing discontent around fan engagement which may reach Mansour and Khaldoon if they don't do something about it. And I don't mean win more games ....
 
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