Has the bubble burst?

domalino said:
I think this is correct, to a point. The season's been frustrating, it's a shit time of year, the weather and economy is crap and people are in a bad mood and want to let it out.

Speaking about the on pitch side of things specifically, the thing I notice most is people seem to love to say Guardiola's finished, but if you press them to say they want him gone or who should replace him, they don't have an answer or back down about wanting him fired. It's OK to say he's lost it but not to want him out seemingly, because as soon as you have to name someone better, things get a lot more difficult to justify.

Similar with the players, 90% of the time if you ask who should replace the player getting complained about in the lineup, they don't want anyone else in the squad playing there, and they can't name a realistically available player who should be brought in instead.

The upper management/anyone above Pep get a large portion of the blame for perceived failures, but no credit for the absolutely unprecedented success of the last 13 years. Someone wanted Soriano fired for extending Savinho's contract the other day, and I enjoyed thinking how that meeting would go. "Listen Ferran we know you've created a group worth £5Bn like we asked you to, and we know you've overseen winning 21 of the 35 trophies in the club's history, but you've potentially wasted £30m on this Brazilian kid so you've got to go".

A lot of it is complaints with no thoughts or ideas behind what else could be done, which IMO is when you're complaining for the sake of complaining/venting.
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I just want his contract extended to 2030.
 
As an older person and older than most on here I was then able to criticise players, management and owners together with our variety of fans.
No social media and paper based journos sold the sat night papers to give further views and sometimes results if work intervention took place.
News was much slower so Saturdays as a football fan allowed me to associate at Maine Road with true City fans.

The results mattered but the experience of being there was overwhelming.

I'm not sure that City feeling will continue or happen for all City fans because instant media and comments and their biased viewpoints make most media an enemy of my proud City heretige.
I had only just got used to City usually winning when we become inconsistent City again.

I will always be a City supporter and frankly was always a little shy with our 4 years of glory in a way preferring to display my allegiance when we were everyone else's joke team.

Nowadays I refer to City by using Francis Lees penalty taking method that if he does not know where the balls going what chance has the goalie.
In other words where or whatever City go to I will always be with them.
 
mancboy said:
Times change, things change, people change, some people deal with it well, some people look to the future, some people yearn for the past , its just life mirrored through the prism of football.
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All true, I don't think some appreciate just how much the covid year changed and accelerated societal change either (and perhaps still is).
 
pride in battle said:
Some people just like to MOAN
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Some people aren’t open enough to let people moan about things that are worth moaning about. Some people just like a discussion and to bring forward things that they aren’t happy about, things they want to improve, and are things that are stopping them enjoying going to games and making the think about giving it all up like tens of thousands of fans have over the years since the takeover.

What are your thoughts about the state of the stands these days, the total lack of atmosphere, being surrounded by people with half’n’half scarves who couldn’t give one shiny fuck if we won or not or having away fans openly supporting the away team, jumping up and goading children in the family stand when their team score and fights breaking out due to Blues getting sick of it?

How many of your friends, family and people you’ve sat with at games for years are sat at home watching games now compared to before the takeover because they’ve been priced out or are sick of the drift to being a tourist club? And are you happy about that? Do you think a few pots and pans bunged in the trophy room is worth the culture of the fanbase disappearing and most Blues sat at home watching games?

Did you get involved in the protest last season? Did you agree with them? If not, why not? Do you not see how the protests, or as you call it, moaning, worked in stopping the greedy fuckers from charging more than the £78 for adults and £48 for children they were already charging and freezing ST prices? Do you think it’s alright that a lot of local City supporting families can only afford to go to a City match once or twice a season to the early rounds of the FA Cup?

If it wasn’t for us MOANING at the end of last season, you’d be currently paying more for your season ticket than you are!

Are you happy that PL clubs are ruining the stands across the league and therefore ruining the PL product and can you not see that this change in culture in the stands is the start of the end of the PL?
 
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I believe that supporters' loyalty to the team and coaching staff is as strong as it has ever been.

The continued lack of listening, care, understanding, interest and empathy on the part of the Club business management towards the supporters is at the heart of what is a growing sense of disconnect between the two.

It's not sustainable.
 
hilts said:
There are plenty of threads about football, being dishonest about that doesn't help your cause. If you dont like people expressing an opinion opposite to yours you are free not to read them.
Who cares why you joined the forum or what you want to get out of it? Its a Manchester City forum to discuss all things Manchester City. We even have forums for other teams off topic and politics.
Its a community whose only consensus in the main is we support City. If you dont like that that would be your problem no one else's.

You are free to not read, not comment or even ignore posters. Your personal wants are not our concern tbh.
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Same goes for you???
 
.db. said:
Some people aren’t open enough to let people moan about things that are worth moaning about. Some people just like a discussion and to bring forward things that they aren’t happy about, things they want to improve, and are things that are stopping them enjoying going to games and making the think about giving it all up like tens of thousands of fans have over the years since the takeover.

What are your thoughts about the state of the stands these days, the total lack of atmosphere, being surrounded by people with half’n’half scarves who couldn’t give one shiny fuck if we won or not or having away fans openly supporting the away team, jumping up and goading children in the family stand when their team score and fights breaking out due to Blues getting sick of it?

How many of your friends, family and people you’ve sat with at games for years are sat at home watching games now compared to before the takeover because they’ve been priced out or are sick of the drift to being a tourist club? And are you happy about that? Do you think a few pots and pans bunged in the trophy room is worth the culture of the fanbase disappearing and most Blues sat at home watching games?

Did you get involved in the protest last season? Did you agree with them? If not, why not? Do you not see how the protests, or as you call it, moaning, worked in stopping the greedy fuckers from charging more than the £78 for adults and £48 for children they were already charging and freezing ST prices? Do you think it’s alright that a lot of local City supporting families can only afford to go to a City match once or twice a season to the early rounds of the FA Cup?

If it wasn’t for us MOANING at the end of last season, you’d be currently paying more for your season ticket than you are!

Are you happy that PL clubs are ruining the stands across the league and therefore ruining the PL product and can you not see that this change in culture in the stands is the start of the end of the PL?
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You've got too much time on your hands mate...
 
.db. said:
Some people aren’t open enough to let people moan about things that are worth moaning about. Some people just like a discussion and to bring forward things that they aren’t happy about, things they want to improve, and are things that are stopping them enjoying going to games and making the think about giving it all up like tens of thousands of fans have over the years since the takeover.

What are your thoughts about the state of the stands these days, the total lack of atmosphere, being surrounded by people with half’n’half scarves who couldn’t give one shiny fuck if we won or not or having away fans openly supporting the away team, jumping up and goading children in the family stand when their team score and fights breaking out due to Blues getting sick of it?

How many of your friends, family and people you’ve sat with at games for years are sat at home watching games now compared to before the takeover because they’ve been priced out or are sick of the drift to being a tourist club? And are you happy about that? Do you think a few pots and pans bunged in the trophy room is worth the culture of the fanbase disappearing and most Blues sat at home watching games?

Did you get involved in the protest last season? Did you agree with them? If not, why not? Do you not see how the protests, or as you call it, moaning, worked in stopping the greedy fuckers from charging more than the £78 for adults and £48 for children they were already charging and freezing ST prices? Do you think it’s alright that a lot of local City supporting families can only afford to go to a City match once or twice a season to the early rounds of the FA Cup?

If it wasn’t for us MOANING at the end of last season, you’d be currently paying more for your season ticket than you are!

Are you happy that PL clubs are ruining the stands across the league and therefore ruining the PL product and can you not see that this change in culture in the stands is the start of the end of the PL?
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Fantastic post
 
.db. said:
I’m a fast typer… not fancy answering any of the questions?
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Im a half pint full of a guy, unlike you.
Outpriced, tourist club etc is nonsense, success brings tourists in whatever guise, i can bet that if we were a mid table premier league team ticket prices would be similiar as they are now.
I get the impression some fans wish we hadn't won what we have and remained pretty fucking average at best because they don't like CHANGE.
Regarding ticket prices, if the fans of all clubs joined together we could make the clubs take notice, like the £30 for away fans, but would that happen ?
 
A very depressing post.
But just imagine being a rag.
Is it 13 years since they were last champions of England.
A falling down stadium, shite players (when was the last even half decent striker they had!)massive increase in ticket prices etc etc etc.
Don't think we're anywhere near their shit level and hopefully we never get close to it again.
 
I've always wondered how FC United came about, and I guess now I know.

City are one of the best run football clubs in the league. Do they have issues they need to deal with? Absolutely. Ticketing is obviously the most pressing, but there's others too. None of those issues though diminish what the new ownership have built. And what the ownership have built shouldn't diminish those genuine issues.

But lot of the complaints around people feeling disconnected from the club they once knew, are there because it isn't the club you once knew anymore. Top flight isn't the same as it was in the 80's and even the 90's. It's now a global entertainment product. Like it or lump it, that's what it is.

With the success comes the global nature of the business. The feeling that Manchester isn't the centre of Manchester City anymore. I don't agree with that, but I can understand why if you feel like something belongs only to you, and then it gets given to everyone in the world, you can feel like you've been robbed. It is its own weird form of entitlement.

I often think about it like this. Had the primarily local supporter base been given a choice back in 2007. Choice 1: sensible investment, slow progress, local focus, hopefully a cup in the next decade OR Choice 2: knocking United off their perch, and becoming the most successful club in England full stop.

How many of you would've chosen 1?
 
.db. said:
I’m a fast typer… not fancy answering any of the questions?
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Im a half pint full of a guy, unlike you.
Outpriced, tourist club etc is nonsense, success brings tourists in whatever guise, i can bet that if we were a mid table premier league team ticket prices would be similiar as they are now.
I get the impression some fans wish we hadn't won what we have and remained pretty fucking average at best because they don't like CHANGE.
Regarding ticket prices, if the fans of all clubs joined together we could make the clubs take notice, like the £30 for away fans, but would that happen
BillyShears said:
I've always wondered how FC United came about, and I guess now I know.

City are one of the best run football clubs in the league. Do they have issues they need to deal with? Absolutely. Ticketing is obviously the most pressing, but there's others too. None of those issues though diminish what the new ownership have built. And what the ownership have built shouldn't diminish those genuine issues.

But lot of the complaints around people feeling disconnected from the club they once knew, are there because it isn't the club you once knew anymore. Top flight isn't the same as it was in the 80's and even the 90's. It's now a global entertainment product. Like it or lump it, that's what it is.

With the success comes the global nature of the business. The feeling that Manchester isn't the centre of Manchester City anymore. I don't agree with that, but I can understand why if you feel like something belongs only to you, and then it gets given to everyone in the world, you can feel like you've been robbed. It is its own weird form of entitlement.

I often think about it like this. Had the primarily local supporter base been given a choice back in 2007. Choice 1: sensible investment, slow progress, local focus, hopefully a cup in the next decade OR Choice 2: knocking United off their perch, and becoming the most successful club in England full stop.

How many of you would've chosen 1?
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Great post, i cannot believe anyone would pick 1, but 100% there will be City fans out there who would.
 
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I think a few people on here need to think what supporting City was like in the 80s and the 90s. When did we become so entitled and ungrateful. Sure everything isn’t perfect but I wouldn’t want Swales et al back. The original poster would do well to read the Sheffield Wednesday thread… now they’ve got something to complain about.
 
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