Have you all turned on Hughes?

[Anonymous]

If it's confession tiome, then I'll own up as well.

I was absolutely delighted when we appointed Hughes as manager.

I was aware that Sven's time at City was a bit of a sham, Thaksin had sussed that Sven was only at City as a stepping stone, window dressing for his next job. And wanted him out as a consequence of that. So Sven's departure was actually applauded by me.

The appointment of Hughes was, at that time, a brilliant choice. He had a record of organisation, work ethic, dead ball situations, consistency and application.

ALL the things Sven didn't have!

But it became apparent very quickly that Hughes was out of his depth, and he doesn't even manage as well as he did at Blackburn. All the principles he had at Ewood have evaporated and he's trying to be someone he's not. He's trying to prove he's a world class manager, who can handle the big time, yet he makes mistake after mistake.

But would I give him another season? Why? I doubt if he could now ever lift the club to where we want to be. He's just Pearce with cash. That's it.

Would you want Pearce in charge? Of course not, so why continue with Hughes?

There is an accountancy term related to Sunk Costs. It refers to investing money, and when it becomes apparent that the investment is not going to provide benefit, you simply pull the plug and walk away. Not point chasing it. And the money spent to date? Sunk costs.

That's how i feel about Hughes.

He has let me down big time!

I agree with the vast majority of that...to be honest, I would like Hughes to be replaced yesterday, because I think there are better managers available, especially for a club in our position...

However, my gut feeling is that ADUG are going to give the man another season...

So I'm going to temper my feelings in the knowledge that I may well be in a position where he's our manager come August...and hope that he CAN improve, and CAN learn from his mistakes...

 

[mancity1]

Problem is it's a catch 22. At times tactically he has been inept, ( Evans for Bojinov sun springs to mind) and playing Etuhu. There is an old saying If it's not broke don't fix it. Our home form wasn't broke so why change it? He should have gone all guns blazing Sun, and tried to put 3 or 4 past themto give us a bit of confidence for Thurs. Sun has given the team no confidence and to be honest the fans no hope. On the other side of the coin however, he has a good eye for players and has been very unlucky this season with injuries.

The injuries one is an interesting one, didn't Toshack when he took over at Wales say something like the training regime that was in place with Wales was the most dangerous one he had ever seen since he became a manager?

why bring up toshack =( i hate him as well lol

Toshack was making excuses. To be fair to Hughes, with wales and blackburn he punched higher weight than he should have been at. We don't know what he has been told by the owners. He was always a 4 4 2 man and has suddenly changed it. But honestly I think pound for pound he buys have been 10 times better than Svens.

But the results are worse and the budget far bigger and he has had the opportunity to develop some of the the players we were all saying not 12 months ago were superstars in the making.

I agree on paper it would seem the buys should bring us more consistency but the results speak for themselves.

Hughes has underachieved by his own standards, the playing group has underachieved and I see no concrete evidence that things will improve next season whether Hughes is around or not but if its a case of better the devil you know than the one you do not I would go for the latter pardon the pun.

He has been given every opportunity to improve the performance level and results of last season and quite frankly he has falied to deliver on both fronts.

 

[Soulboy]

If it's confession tiome, then I'll own up as well.

I was absolutely delighted when we appointed Hughes as manager.

I was aware that Sven's time at City was a bit of a sham, Thaksin had sussed that Sven was only at City as a stepping stone, window dressing for his next job. And wanted him out as a consequence of that. So Sven's departure was actually applauded by me.

The appointment of Hughes was, at that time, a brilliant choice. He had a record of organisation, work ethic, dead ball situations, consistency and application.

ALL the things Sven didn't have!

But it became apparent very quickly that Hughes was out of his depth, and he doesn't even manage as well as he did at Blackburn. All the principles he had at Ewood have evaporated and he's trying to be someone he's not. He's trying to prove he's a world class manager, who can handle the big time, yet he makes mistake after mistake.

But would I give him another season? Why? I doubt if he could now ever lift the club to where we want to be. He's just Pearce with cash. That's it.

Would you want Pearce in charge? Of course not, so why continue with Hughes?

There is an accountancy term related to Sunk Costs. It refers to investing money, and when it becomes apparent that the investment is not going to provide benefit, you simply pull the plug and walk away. Not point chasing it. And the money spent to date? Sunk costs.

That's how i feel about Hughes.

He has let me down big time!

I agree with the vast majority of that...to be honest, I would like Hughes to be replaced yesterday, because I think there are better managers available, especially for a club in our position...

However, my gut feeling is that ADUG are going to give the man another season...

So I'm going to temper my feelings in the knowledge that I may well be in a position where he's our manager come August...and hope that he CAN improve, and CAN learn from his mistakes...

I actually agree with you.

I too think Hughes will get another season (or at least part of one!).

I don't think he deserves it, but I feel that those in power see the "project" as a series of hurdles to overcome, and that Hughes will do his bit. And that bit is to get the training facilities right, clear out those not of the right quality, sort the youth set-up... that sort of thing. And I think they'll bite the bullet.

However, if it goes tits up the next couple of games that might have to change, but it would take some extreme reactions to see Hughes sacked.

I think too many people don't realise that this "project" is the brainchild of Thaksin... NOT the new owners!

Thaksin realised Sven had no interest in building a club and a dynasty, that's why he was sacked. And Hughes was considered to be the man to develop the next phase.

Just remember, Thaksin appointed both Hughes and Cook... the man had a vision as to where he wanted us to be, and the Arabs simply bought into it.

So, to take your original point, the new owners are simply following the template laid down by Thaksin.

So those defending Hughes should reflect that they are actually supporting Thaksin's plan!

 

[David White's cross]

I previously have been in favour of Hughes but I have changed my mind over the last month. I was in support of a period of stability at the club as the policy of changing managers every season has got us no-where.
In the last 28 years since the 1981 FA cup final we have not reached a cup semi final at all. We have not mounted one serious challenge for the league title and have remained a very mediocre team.
Looking at all the sides who have made progress over the last 20 years....United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, they have all started their push for league success by winning cup competitions especially in the case of three of them, the UEFA cup. This success breeds a mental toughness that neither our managers or players have exhibited. When it has come to the crunch time , our sides have crumbled and not performed e.g. Spurs at home in the FA cup quarter final at Maine Rd and West Ham at home a few years ago at COMS FA cup quarter final.
When Hughes was appointed, and in the ensuing months, I believed and hoped we would develop that toughness of character, the steel that is needed to win when the challenge is great. However, I have become progressively disheartened by his ineptitude tactically, his inability to use substitutions to change the course of games (eg Fernandes at right back versus Liverpool at home) and his incompetence in inspiring his players, some of whom are world class performers.
I knew the road would be difficult but I did expect strong performances, and for him to exhibit the ability needed to be a great manager. He has failed to show that and I personally do not think he has 'IT'.
The 'IT' I am talking about is something which separates managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Hiddink, Shankly, Paisley, Clough, Ancelotti, Mourinho from the also rans like Allardyce, Hughes, Redknapp,and Martin O'Neill. It is something which inspires greatness and great loyalty. All of the first list are people who have performed at the top level of management and have won the top leagues. The winning of a Premier League, whether it is in Italy Spain or England needs something special. You need to be inspiring, highly intelligent, perceptive , cunning, have leadership, demand and receive loyalty and basically have a squad of players who will sweat blood for you. I do not think Hughes has enough of these qualities to be one of those managers. He has certain qualities but not enough.
For once our club is in a position financially to make progress into the elite of European clubs but this needs a manager of the best quality. Hughes is not that man. He is an above average English club manager but that is not what we need.
Our owners have the financial muscle to approach any of the great managers working in the game and convince them to come to our club. Why give Hughes another £20-£100 million to spend on players that do not take us properly forward. The money should be spent employing and capturing one of the best managers and . Hiddink has proved that the MANAGER is the most important player and character at the club. The Chelsea side that played last Wednesday at Anfield was worlds apart from the one that performed at Old Trafford earlier in the season. This was down to the manager, not the players, as the people on the pitch were practically the same personnel .
Hughes needs to go but only when our owners have lined up one of the world's top managers to take his place.

 

[bizzbo]

I actually agree with you.

I too think Hughes will get another season (or at least part of one!).

I don't think he deserves it, but I feel that those in power see the "project" as a series of hurdles to overcome, and that Hughes will do his bit. And that bit is to get the training facilities right, clear out those not of the right quality, sort the youth set-up... that sort of thing. And I think they'll bite the bullet.

However, if it goes tits up the next couple of games that might have to change, but it would take some extreme reactions to see Hughes sacked.

I think too many people don't realise that this "project" is the brainchild of Thaksin... NOT the new owners!

Thaksin realised Sven had no interest in building a club and a dynasty, that's why he was sacked. And Hughes was considered to be the man to develop the next phase.

Just remember, Thaksin appointed both Hughes and Cook... the man had a vision as to where he wanted us to be, and the Arabs simply bought into it.

So, to take your original point, the new owners are simply following the template laid down by Thaksin.

So those defending Hughes should reflect that they are actually supporting Thaksin's plan!

thats an offensive and unneccesary comment.

 

[Soulboy]

I actually agree with you.

I too think Hughes will get another season (or at least part of one!).

I don't think he deserves it, but I feel that those in power see the "project" as a series of hurdles to overcome, and that Hughes will do his bit. And that bit is to get the training facilities right, clear out those not of the right quality, sort the youth set-up... that sort of thing. And I think they'll bite the bullet.

However, if it goes tits up the next couple of games that might have to change, but it would take some extreme reactions to see Hughes sacked.

I think too many people don't realise that this "project" is the brainchild of Thaksin... NOT the new owners!

Thaksin realised Sven had no interest in building a club and a dynasty, that's why he was sacked. And Hughes was considered to be the man to develop the next phase.

Just remember, Thaksin appointed both Hughes and Cook... the man had a vision as to where he wanted us to be, and the Arabs simply bought into it.

So, to take your original point, the new owners are simply following the template laid down by Thaksin.

So those defending Hughes should reflect that they are actually supporting Thaksin's plan!

thats an offensive and unneccesary comment.

What???

Who appointed Hughes?

Why do you think he was appointed?

Just 'cos you know nowt doesn't mean we are all as ill-informed as you are.

If you defend Hughes, then you're actually supporting Thaksin's vision... that's a fact, not an opinion. Nothing contentious about that, in my opinion.

Offensive and unnecessary... what are you talking about!!!

 

[bluepeter62]

Blue Peter, re Spurs:

Yep, they replace him with Ramos, who won a TROPHY in his first year in charge!

They replaced him with Redknapp, who also, IN HIS FIRST YEAR IN CHARGE, got to the final of a Cup at Wembley...and might very well qualify for Europe this season as well.

All in ONE season!

Just goes to show that when you win a cup its more down to luck. The difference is in the UEFA Cup we have probably played more games in this one season than they played in 2 seasons in the Carling Cup.

Right. So if City (and Hughes) win the UEFA Cup this season, it's just down to "luck"?
Dearie me.

Could I also point out that the idiot Ramos won the UEFA TWICE before he took over at Spurs... as is currently managing Real Madrid! Spurs cocked up with Jol and then Ramos. They were both good managers who achieved. Just like Redknapp.

WE have Hughes. Never achieved a thing in almost 8 years of management.

And your comment that City fans sacked a number of managers... absolute bollocks!

I have seen chairmen since Swales, through to Lee, then Bernstein, and Thaksin and Mubarak... and not ONE of them ever asked the opinion of a City fan as to whether or not they sacked the manager.

They all made their own choices, all made their own decisions... with NO reference to the supporters.

I was never asked my opinion. None of my mates were asked their opinions. Did they ask you?

Stop spouting bollocks and talk real.

I can see you're struggling badly with facts, so maybe just stick to your self-important, attention-seeking opinions rather than show yourself up when it comes to dealing in facts.

Argue your point, but don't talk out of your arse.

This shows you are the one talking out of their arse. I suppose that every club asks there supporters if they want the manager sacked?

Fans get managers sacked by chanting for them to be sacked and booing the team, just like Sunday. If the board is weak enough to give in then they sack the manager, because it takes the heat off them. Are you telling me that you have never heard City fans shout for a managers head or booing the team before Sunday?

The difference is now we have a board who look to be strong enough to give the manager their backing when goin through troubled times. This is probably in the knowledge that the fans won't turn on them, after all they are the ones with the billions.

As for my opinion that winning a cup is more down to luck than winning the league, I stand by that. Why do you think teams such as Millwall and Cardiff get through to finals? The UEFA Cup and Champions League obvioulsy are harder than the Carling and FA Cup because of the league format, but essentially you can be lucky and get to the final, just like Rangers last season. Also when Porto and Monaco met in the Champions League final some years ago.

Now there are many posters on here are saying that Hughes will get sacked by Monday, especially if we go out on Thursday. I disagree with them because I believe our owners are not the type of people to panic. I guess we will see what happens in the next week, but I would hope if the owners give him their support that the fans get behind him for a change.

 

[TheMagician]

If we get rid of Hughes, than rather than progressive we will get another manager who will want to 'rebuild' in his first year.

FFS let's have a look what a manager can do with us in a second season.

 

[bluepeter62]

If it's confession tiome, then I'll own up as well.

I was absolutely delighted when we appointed Hughes as manager.

I was aware that Sven's time at City was a bit of a sham, Thaksin had sussed that Sven was only at City as a stepping stone, window dressing for his next job. And wanted him out as a consequence of that. So Sven's departure was actually applauded by me.

The appointment of Hughes was, at that time, a brilliant choice. He had a record of organisation, work ethic, dead ball situations, consistency and application.

ALL the things Sven didn't have!

But it became apparent very quickly that Hughes was out of his depth, and he doesn't even manage as well as he did at Blackburn. All the principles he had at Ewood have evaporated and he's trying to be someone he's not. He's trying to prove he's a world class manager, who can handle the big time, yet he makes mistake after mistake.

But would I give him another season? Why? I doubt if he could now ever lift the club to where we want to be. He's just Pearce with cash. That's it.

Would you want Pearce in charge? Of course not, so why continue with Hughes?

There is an accountancy term related to Sunk Costs. It refers to investing money, and when it becomes apparent that the investment is not going to provide benefit, you simply pull the plug and walk away. Not point chasing it. And the money spent to date? Sunk costs.

That's how i feel about Hughes.

He has let me down big time!

I agree with the vast majority of that...to be honest, I would like Hughes to be replaced yesterday, because I think there are better managers available, especially for a club in our position...

However, my gut feeling is that ADUG are going to give the man another season...

So I'm going to temper my feelings in the knowledge that I may well be in a position where he's our manager come August...and hope that he CAN improve, and CAN learn from his mistakes...

I actually agree with you.

I too think Hughes will get another season (or at least part of one!).

I don't think he deserves it, but I feel that those in power see the "project" as a series of hurdles to overcome, and that Hughes will do his bit. And that bit is to get the training facilities right, clear out those not of the right quality, sort the youth set-up... that sort of thing. And I think they'll bite the bullet.

However, if it goes tits up the next couple of games that might have to change, but it would take some extreme reactions to see Hughes sacked.

I think too many people don't realise that this "project" is the brainchild of Thaksin... NOT the new owners!

Thaksin realised Sven had no interest in building a club and a dynasty, that's why he was sacked. And Hughes was considered to be the man to develop the next phase.

Just remember, Thaksin appointed both Hughes and Cook... the man had a vision as to where he wanted us to be, and the Arabs simply bought into it.

So, to take your original point, the new owners are simply following the template laid down by Thaksin.


So those defending Hughes should reflect that they are actually supporting Thaksin's plan!

I have to laugh that some posters on here are now trying to wipe Thaksin from the history of our club. If he hadn't come along we would have had a firesale and most probably have been relegated last season. Even if he didn't use his own money he raised the profile of the club and kept the players and brought in more for Sven to move the club forward.

Now I haven't a clue if Sven was using us as a stepping stone, but I am tired of hearing we slumped in the 2nd half of last season because he knew he was being sacked. He should have showed professionalism and risen above that for the sake of the club and fans.

 

[Rammy Blue]

When Hughes was appointed, and in the ensuing months, I believed and hoped we would develop that toughness of character, the steel that is needed to win when the challenge is great. However, I have become progressively disheartened by his ineptitude tactically, his inability to use substitutions to change the course of games (eg Fernandes at right back versus Liverpool at home) and his incompetence in inspiring his players, some of whom are world class performers.
I knew the road would be difficult but I did expect strong performances, and for him to exhibit the ability needed to be a great manager. He has failed to show that and I personally do not think he has 'IT'.
The 'IT' I am talking about is something which separates managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Hiddink, Shankly, Paisley, Clough, Ancelotti, Mourinho from the also rans like Allardyce, Hughes, Redknapp,and Martin O'Neill. It is something which inspires greatness and great loyalty. All of the first list are people who have performed at the top level of management and have won the top leagues. The winning of a Premier League, whether it is in Italy Spain or England needs something special. You need to be inspiring, highly intelligent, perceptive , cunning, have leadership, demand and receive loyalty and basically have a squad of players who will sweat blood for you. I do not think Hughes has enough of these qualities to be one of those managers. He has certain qualities but not enough.
For once our club is in a position financially to make progress into the elite of European clubs but this needs a manager of the best quality. Hughes is not that man. He is an above average English club manager but that is not what we need.
Our owners have the financial muscle to approach any of the great managers working in the game and convince them to come to our club. Why give Hughes another £20-£100 million to spend on players that do not take us properly forward. The money should be spent employing and capturing one of the best managers and . Hiddink has proved that the MANAGER is the most important player and character at the club. The Chelsea side that played last Wednesday at Anfield was worlds apart from the one that performed at Old Trafford earlier in the season. This was down to the manager, not the players, as the people on the pitch were practically the same personnel .
Hughes needs to go but only when our owners have lined up one of the world's top managers to take his place.

decent first post and good summary that i agree with, Hughes and the people who like him allow this excuse of "not his players" to cloud judgement - good managers get the best out of players and make them perform above their natural ability, Hughes makes good players look shit.