Henry Nowak murder

[Ban-jani]

Fake news. According to some on here, it was wrong to assume that would happen.

It happened in this country in the height of the pandemic, in 2020, when someone was murdered in another country, 3,000 miles away from Britain.

People shouldn’t be surprised.

 

[moomba]

if it was for valid reasons one wouldn’t have resigned already.

Guessing again.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Guessing again.

Why would he have resigned then?

 

[M18CTID]

It happened in this country in the height of the pandemic, in 2020, when someone was murdered in another country, 3,000 miles away from Britain.

People shouldn’t be surprised.

And it also happened in 2024 when a lie spread like wildfire across social media

 

[moomba]

Why would he have resigned then?

I dont know.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Absolutely tragic, but it was a dynamic situation that nobody on here could say for certain what they would have done faced with the same set of circumstances.

 

[KPXBLN]

“The offence of gross negligence manslaughter is committed where death is the result of a grossly negligent act or omission on the part of the defendant.”

These are factors that will be considered if that charge is brought:

• How serious were the injuries?
• Did the officer know or ought to have known there was a risk of death?
• Did the officer call for medical assistance at all?
• How long was the delay?
• Would earlier treatment probably have saved the person’s life?
• Was the officer acting in the course of their duties and therefore under a duty of care to that individual?

This is a synopsis from previous cases. There’s obviously a couple of bullet points there that will likely fall in the favour of the officer such as the report stating he’d likely have died anyway even with immediate response from the officer attending the scene, but most won’t, we don’t know for sure if he’d have survived and it might be enough to convict based on the rest of the points.

You've missed the significance of an earlier part of that sentence, before the bit you've bolded. "The offence... is committed where death is the result of a grossly negligent act or omission." The pathologist's evidence, as I have been saying, is that the death was only the result of the stabbing, since no intervention could have save the poor young man. So the officer's conduct, while appalling, is not why he died. That's why I suggested looking at the detail under the heading 'Causation' under the link I shared.

 

[Ban-jani]

You and others are guessing the reasons why the police took the actions they did. A video wont tell you that.

Repeating yourself and sticking your fingers in your ears won’t help you. Video footage is considered a very significant piece of evidence for deciding motive.
This is from the CPS:

Video can sometimes provide strong evidence of motive if it captures relevant behavior or statements. For example:

• A recording showing an argument immediately before an assault may support a revenge or anger motive.
• Footage showing a person targeting a specific victim while ignoring others may suggest a personal motive.
• Video of a robbery where valuables are taken can support a financial motive.

 

[bert38]

if it was for valid reasons one wouldn’t have resigned already.

you have no idea when or why they resigned, do you?

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

It happened in this country in the height of the pandemic, in 2020, when someone was murdered in another country, 3,000 miles away from Britain.

People shouldn’t be surprised.

It wasn’t that long ago when it kicked off in Bradford or Leeds, famously the police ran off and the locals burnt buses & police vehicles.

Cunts will be cunts

 

[bert38]

Why would he have resigned then?

You know it was a male?
Can you comprehend the stress those officers would have gone through post incident?

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

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Absolutely tragic, but it was a dynamic situation that nobody on here could say for certain what they would have done faced with the same set of circumstances.

Sorry but I can’t agree with that. I just can’t imagine, as a trained professional, someone telling me they’d been stabbed and are obviously struggling to breathe, and saying “I don’t think you have mate”, and leaving them to it. Not having it.

 

[Kinkybyname]

It wasn’t that long ago when it kicked off in Bradford or Leeds, famously the police ran off and the locals burnt buses & police vehicles.

Cunts will be cunts

yup, on every degree of the spectrum - just that those entrenched on the left and those entrenched on the right refuse to accept how fkn stoopid their intransigent stances are

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

You know it was a male?
Can you comprehend the stress those officers would have gone through post incident?

Yes I can, it wouldn’t be as much stress as the family of the victim have been through.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Thats a pretty awful generalisation to make without having any insight into the reasons the police took the actions they made.

No idea how you can say that’s a ‘generalisation’ after watching that video. What possible reasons could any police officer have for handcuffing someone who’s just been stabbed and then completely dismissing his cries for help?

 

[Ban-jani]

You've missed the significance of an earlier part of that sentence, before the bit you've bolded. "The offence... is committed where death is the result of a grossly negligent act or omission." The pathologist's evidence, as I have been saying, is that the death was only the result of the stabbing, since no intervention could have save the poor young man. So the officer's conduct, while appalling, is not why he died. That's why I suggested looking at the detail under the heading 'Causation' under the link I shared.

“…not have died at that time” is in the CPS. If the any would-be prosecutor can prove the officers’ actions accelerated Henry’s death, they may get a conviction.

I’m not sat here saying it will happen and they’ll be successful, it’ll be tough to prove, but they’ve definitely got a chance.

Usually you have to prove that the actions caused the death, but there have been occasions of convictions based on bringing death quicker by actions.

 

[moomba]

No idea how you can say that’s a ‘generalisation’ after watching that video. What possible reasons could any police officer have for handcuffing someone who’s just been stabbed and then completely dismissing his cries for help?

I havent watched the video.

The reasons why the police took the actions they did will form part of the investigation.

This is the right way to go about it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely tragic, but it was a dynamic situation that nobody on here could say for certain what they would have done faced with the same set of circumstances.

I’m lost for words at this.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I havent watched the video.

The reasons why the police took the actions they did will form part of the investigation.

This is the right way to go about it.

So what are you basing your opinion on then? Watch the video, it’s clear as day what they did was wrong.

Ofcourse they will investigate it as well, but you seem to be dismissing the main piece of evidence.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

I havent watched the video.

The reasons why the police took the actions they did will form part of the investigation.

This is the right way to go about it.

You need to watch the video. I’ve only watched part because it’s too horrific.
“I can’t breathe” “I’ve been stabbed”
“Put you your hands in the cuffs”
I don’t need an investigation to tell me that’s wrong. If you do, that’s your issue.