Henry Nowak murder

[bert38]

Yes I think we're in danger of forgetting who's actually at fault here, that said nobodies telling me those police officers are squeaky clean and covered themselves in glory here.

and that's why there is an ongoing IOPC investigation.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

You make me sick.
I've seen the footage and I saw that the police were actually taking the attackers side instead of listening to the victim as he was dying.
Fucking horrendous.

We have the unfortunate benefit of knowing that they are attackers. The Police attending did not. They were lied to.

It wasn't about taking sides because there wasn't a side to take, at the time. There was a report, backed up by other lying family members.

 

[Ban-jani]

I honestly don't think that's fair.

There's no argument that the Police could and should've done better. But I think it's been made to be about race and the only factual racial element to this debate should be the Kirpan, religious costume weapons.

When Police turned up, if the Digwa family had been a white family called smith and were alleging assault by Nowak who was lying there after trying to run away, there's every possibility or even likelihood that he'd have been treated in the same way.

Their actions are worthy of criticism and debate, but I don't think it's fair to say it's about racism. The initial report, filled with lies, could've been about anything and we'd still have arrived at the same tragic outcome.

Well then we totally disagree. I think what I said is absolutely spot on and race was the deciding factor in believing Digwa over Nowak. Given the footage, it’s unfathomable to think that the officers arrived on the scene and their behaviour wasn’t conducted with prejudice.

Stating their actions deserve debate and criticism is a bit of an understatement, we can all see what’s happened and they deserve everything coming their way.

 

[Kinkybyname]

Read the judges comments

are they as enlightened as Judge Nicholas Rowland's recent dazzling insights?

 

[hello]

I honestly don't think that's fair.

There's no argument that the Police could and should've done better. But I think it's been made to be about race and the only factual racial element to this debate should be the Kirpan, religious costume weapons.

When Police turned up, if the Digwa family had been a white family called smith and were alleging assault by Nowak who was lying there after "trying to run away", there's every possibility or even likelihood that he'd have been treated in the same way.

Their actions are worthy of criticism and debate, but I don't think it's fair to say it's about racism. The initial report, filled with lies, could've been about anything and we'd still have arrived at the same tragic outcome.

Really 6-7 people upright, walking talking bitching! 1 person on the floor saying they’ve been stabbed and can’t breathe. And it takes them 3 minutes and non responsive pupils to think he needs help?
You really think that would happen with 8 white people on scene or 8 black people or 8 Asian people? Absolutely not and that’s the fucking problem. Because it’s mixed race on scence the fucking **** of a copper had predetermined mindset that led to fuckup after fuckup.

 

[mayo31]

Plenty of experts on here tonight

Most no doubt have never been at a scene where someone has been seriously hurt.

 

[Claytop]

Dont forget there was only one 999 call containing lies, and about 5 witnesses all pedalling the same lie at the scene. Officer turns up expecting a racist attacker due to dispatcher saying this. Judge says it would have been very hard to see any stab woulds at the time and more importantly we're talking a length of time of 2 minutes. After the 2 minutes they realised what has actually happened and started applying CPR but it was too late before they even showed up unfortunately. They shouldn't have cuffed him but thats no reason to go all naitive on the police is it. This family are scumbags all of them need locking up for a very long time.

Yep, they had a very one sided version of events presented to them before they arrived.

You’d like to think after assessing the scene they’d realise the version that had been described wasn’t in fact the case and it also definitely doesn’t excuse the way he was treated and spoke to initially until it did dawn on them what was going on. I imagine their comments after they realised were quite startling…

Ultimately the killer and their family come right at the top of people to blame for this and deserve no lenience on punishment.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Plenty of experts on here tonight

Most no doubt have never been at a scene where someone has been seriously hurt.

Ironically, those that will have been will be more emotionally detached than those that haven’t.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

The family's wishes are clearly being disrespected by the likes of Muskrat, Frog face , Lowe and Tommy Ten names
Methinks incitement charges should be be brought against all of them

 

[Ban-jani]

Plenty of experts on here tonight

Most no doubt have never been at a scene where someone has been seriously hurt.

I have actually, I’ve witnessed someone be that seriously injured that they died not long after I was there. The amount of blood I saw will live with me forever.

I’m also not a professionally trained public servant, whose job it is to protect the public.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

No they fucking didn’t, before any medical aid and calling an ambulance they dragged him, forced him upright and cuffed him. Only when pupils became non responsive did they think shit we might need to help him 3 fucking minutes after arriving on scene. You might think that’s response is adequate for a first responders I and 99.99% of population will think it’s fucking shit.

The murderers didnt call for an ambulance though did they. They called the police with a bullshit made up call. I think 3 minutes for the police to realise what's going on is acceptable under the circumstances

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Plenty of experts on here tonight

Most no doubt have never been at a scene where someone has been seriously hurt.

I have, with a family member. Do you have to have attended a scene like this to comment on it?

Or can you watch the clear video cam footage, which shows what happened? And then form an opinion on it.

Is it really a shock after watching that footage that people are angry/ emotional

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

The family's wishes are clearly being disrespected by the likes of Muskrat, Frog face , Lowe and Tommy Ten names
Methinks incitement charges should be be brought against all of them

Absolutely. No good will come of it

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Well then we totally disagree. I think what I said is absolutely spot on and race was the deciding factor in believing Digwa over Nowak. Given the footage, it’s unfathomable to think that the officers arrived on the scene and their behaviour wasn’t conducted with prejudice.

Stating their actions deserve debate and criticism is a bit of an understatement, we can all see what’s happened and they deserve everything coming their way.

We'll agree to disagree then.

Language such as unfathomable is unhelpful here though. It's a perfectly rational opinion even with the footage that the incident wasn't necessarily about race or conducted with racial prejudice. The only prejudice, in my opinion, was being totally misled by the initial reporters and making an assumption that Nowak was the perpetrator.

 

[hello]

and that's why there is an ongoing IOPC investigation.

Out of interest why is it ongoing? Were they waiting for the conviction? Surely more than enough time has elapsed to view everything, interview and mark their own homework.
I’ll have the say the twat Hampshire police had apologise did well to keep a straight face. What a condescending prick he was.

 

[i kne albert davy]

and that's why there is an ongoing IOPC investigation.

I know and I fully expect the officers concerned to be thrown to the wolves and lose their jobs when perhaps the blame should go higher up.

 

[Kinkybyname]

Plenty of experts on here tonight

Most no doubt have never been at a scene where someone has been seriously hurt.

oh there is a lot of it about - we have tilers, plasterers and NHS clerks who could sort out Iran, Brexit and the rape gangs scandal over a couple of pints - impressive stuff

 

[Claytop]

The murderers didnt call for an ambulance though did they. They called the police with a bullshit made up call. I think 3 minutes for the police to realise what's going on is acceptable under the circumstances

This is where I disagree slightly, I think after hearing him tell them he’d been stabbed and couldn’t breathe that should have been ringing big alarm bells without much of a hesitation.

 

[Kinkybyname]

We'll agree to disagree then.

Language such as unfathomable is unhelpful here though. It's a perfectly rational opinion even with the footage that the incident wasn't necessarily about race or conducted with racial prejudice. The only prejudice, in my opinion, was being totally misled by the initial reporters and making an assumption that Nowak was the perpetrator.

by 'initial reporters', do you mean the killer and his cover-up crew?

 

[ayrshire_blue]

by 'initial reporters', do you mean the killer and his cover-up crew?

Obviously yes, since they were the initial reporters. They didn't tell Police that they are killers and a cover up crew. They lied and made themselves out to be the innocent parties.