Henry Nowak murder

ayrshire_blue said:
Jesus Christ, they reported a crime to Police which turned out to be a lie. They didn't report a lie, but their report WAS a lie. Why are you being so pedantic over all of this?
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because your phrasing triggered such a response - you're as irked by my wording as I am by yours, which imo attempts to put distance between what they tried to present and what they actually are (lying murderous scum, just for the avoidance of doubt), go figure. Happy for you to rephrase.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m lost for words at this.
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Not sure why. People are looking at the death in isolation. The person who stabbed him is ultimately responsible for his death. What we don't fully know what else was happening, and why the officers may have behaved in that way.

How long had officers been on shift at that point? How many shouts had they been on that day? What had they been dealing with just prior to the incident? How many similar situations had they been in where someone had over exaggerated an injury? (I personally have been on ambulance shouts where people have been faking injury and illness, one covered in someone else's blood which was attended to by the local constabulary), What else were they dealing with at the time?

It's all well and good analysing an incident far away from the pressure of the situation with verry little to go on, but being there in the heat of the moment is a different thing entirely. Yes, a man is tragically dead, but Nobody knows the full story, which is why there is an enquiry. If individual officers are found to bear some fault for his death then throw the book at them.
 
The blue phantom said:
He's definitely been mistreated by the police. Could it of just been the 3 or 4 people stood there not blaming their son/brother clouded the coppers judgement. All blaming the lad on the floor and he's gone with their version of events. Not because they have brown skin just because there was a few of them against one lad? Obviously what happened next with the coppers response to the dying kid is terrible.
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And there's the thing - "the lad on the floor" . On the floor whilst the everyone else was standing. On the floor pleading. On the floor dying.
He/they, made a catastrophic error of judgment. He/they, targeted the victim instead of prioritising his wellbeing.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
And there's the thing - "the lad on the floor" . On the floor whilst the everyone else was standing. On the floor pleading. On the floor dying.
He/they, made a catastrophic error of judgment. He/they, targeted the victim instead of prioritising his wellbeing.
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stop making sense
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Are you trying to defend there actions?

Someone gets stabbed and is dying and you think it’s ok for them to behave like that?

They clearly didn’t know he’d been stabbed in the chest either/ didn’t event attempt to check on him, despite his cries
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We are all responsible for this as a society. We have created a climate where the police are so intent on dealing with the accusation of racism and not being on the wrong side of that, that they overlooked the need for basic first aid and hazard/casualty assessment.
I'm not sure wether it will be the 'woke' or 'far right' taking a knee and statue pushing after this - I'm sure our political leaders of all hues will do their best to capitalise and turn a tragedy into a left v right wankfest though.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
And there's the thing - "the lad on the floor" . On the floor whilst the everyone else was standing. On the floor pleading. On the floor dying.
He/they, made a catastrophic error of judgment. He/they, targeted the victim instead of prioritising his wellbeing.
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My point is there's umpteen posters who are 100% adamant the coppers took their word because they had Brown skin. They aren't interested in any other argument just it was based on race. Which is bollocks.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
One of the policemen has resigned, I assume it’s the fella that put a dying lad in handcuffs, he made the wrong decision.
There will be an enquiry and lesson’s learnt I hope.
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Tbh when someone dies in your cuffs resignation should not be an option. Garden leave investigation disciplinary criminal should be the default flow.
 
Kinkybyname said:
because your phrasing triggered such a response - you're as irked by my wording as I am by yours, which imo attempts to put distance between what they tried to present and what they actually are (lying murderous scum, just for the avoidance of doubt), go figure. Happy for you to rephrase.
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My phrasing is accurate. They were reporting a crime to attending officers. Literally, there is nothing to dispute here.

Weird thing to pick someone up on when there's nothing wrong with what's been said, and irrelevant to the actual point of discussion at hand. I'm done.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We are all responsible for this as a society. We have created a climate where the police are so intent on dealing with the accusation of racism and not being on the wrong side of that, that they overlooked the need for basic first aid and hazard/casualty assessment.
I'm not sure wether it will be the 'woke' or 'far right' taking a knee and statue pushing after this - I'm sure our political leaders of all hues will do their best to capitalise and turn a tragedy into a left v right wankfest though.
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plenty on here were ready to take the knee on Floyd based on vid evidence only before any trial/direct evidence... were they right? Yes. But having a go at those reacting initially in the same way here is the usual holier-than-thou bollocks attitude from the usual suspects. FWIW, I think this fuck-up is incompetence not racist.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
My phrasing is accurate. They were reporting a crime to attending officers. Literally, there is nothing to dispute here.

Weird thing to pick someone up on when there's nothing wrong with what's been said, and irrelevant to the actual point of discussion at hand. I'm done.
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I agree. You are.
 
The blue phantom said:
My point is there's umpteen posters who are 100% adamant the coppers took their word because they had Brown skin. They aren't interested in any other argument just it was based on race. Which is bollocks.
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I think the argument is that they took their word about a hate crime. Either way, I've only posted on the absolute tragedy of it all.
 
Kinkybyname said:
plenty on here were ready to take the knee on Floyd based on vid evidence only before any trial/direct evidence... were they right? Yes. But having a go at those reacting initially in the same way here is the usual holier-than-thou bollocks attitude from the usual suspects. FWIW, I think this fuck-up is incompetence not racist.
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Absolutely, a total fuck up, but none of those policemen went to work that day to kill anyone.
 
The police have brought all this intensity on themselves they are following orders from their superiors on how to handle these sort of situations, this government has to start putting its citizens a priority it’s not much to ask.
 
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