Henry Nowak murder

bert38 said:
Yet in the Judge's summary he didn't agree with you.

Secondly, every single person who complained of chest pains was transported to hospital by a double crewed police car-and came back hours later with nothing wrong with them. A complete waste of scarce resources-yet because of that 1 in a 1000 chance you could never take the risk-even though we all know they are lying. And that's my point-people lie. And also re chest pains, those incidents play out over 30 mins/several hours (trying to find a couple of free officers mainly), not 1-3 minutes of 'not being arsed'.

Another point-because people seem to have a view that resources are endless and frontline policing is so easy-go to any hospital A&E and see all the police cars outside-all with prisoners-all taken from the frontline.
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They only needed to check, not say “I don’t think you have mate”.
 
bert38 said:
1-3 minutes provoking hours and days of discussion with perfect hindsight.

Policing is messy, unpredictable, chaotic and occasionally violent-things will always go wrong.
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As I’ve said before I appreciate you have a perspective I don’t have. That said, you arrive and see a victim stood up healthy and keen to show you his injuries and an assailant slumped on the floor barely able to breath. It’s not a violent chaotic scene with bodies flying everywhere. Assailant tells you he has been stabbed and can’t breath multiple times. You drag him to handcuff him without bothering to check whether he actually had been stabbed. You are a trained public official. It’s totally incompetent and let’s see what the enquiry makes of it.

Am sure he’s not a bad bloke but he shouldn’t be doing the job he is doing
 
bert38 said:
Another bandwagon for the right wing to jump onto.

No consideration for the victim, their family, due process, fair trials, the officers involved-just red meat for the Facebook experts who want to play judge and jury.

Petitions to release the footage? Pathetic shite again.
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No consideration for the Officers is charge?
 
i kne albert davy said:
To be honest it's a bandwagon that should be jumped on, innocent young man robbed of 60 years of his life, his family devastated 21 years is pretty shite, Police officers who handcuffed him as he was dying after being told he'd been stabbed and couldn't breath are at best totally incompetent.
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And PC Plod got a few likes for that ridiculous post.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
As I’ve said before I appreciate you have a perspective I don’t have. That said, you arrive and see a victim stood up health and keen to show you his injuries and an assailant slumped on the floor barely able to breath. It’s not a violent chaotic scene with bodies flying everywhere. Assailant tells you he has been stabbed and can’t breath multiple times. You drag him to handcuff him without bothering to check whether he actually had been stabbed. You are a trained public official. It’s totally incompetent and let’s see what the enquiry makes of it.

Am sure he’s not a bad bloke but he shouldn’t be doing the job he is doing
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I don't disagree-but we aren't in his head at that exact moment with that exact information-he sees what I believe he thinks is an intoxicated male who's been running his mouth..wouldn't it be much easier for me to say I would have done X,Y and Z because I never cocked up?

I'm not sure of the remit of the IOPC-I expect people might end up frustrated because the most likely outcome aside from any discipline is a recommendation for an inquiry...

I told that story once when I went to a burglar on premises and entered the property, saw a tall, blonde male inside and promptly gave him my details and a victim care package and went to speak to the witness who described a tall blonde man kicking the door panel in. Incompetent? Useless? Or a decision making process that was flawed and rigid because the man I found in the property I recognised and knew he had once lived there-so I assumed he still did..he didn't. I felt a right twat-but it was a lesson which I didn't repeat until the next thing I got wrong. I always used to say if you don't do anything (and plenty of cops hide and avoid jobs) you never do anything wrong. But rest assured every mistake you do make will be looked at with perfect 20/20 vision.
 
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bert38 said:
I don't disagree-but we aren't in his head at that exact moment with that exact information-he sees what I believe he thinks is an intoxicated male who's been running his mouth..wouldn't it be much easier for me to say I would have done X,Y and Z because I never cocked up?

I'm not sure of the remit of the IOPC-I expect people might end up frustrated because the most likely outcome aside from any discipline is a recommendation for an inquiry...
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I’m not going to dissuade you from your view and that’s fine. Of course people make mistakes. But there is the question of the basic competence of the individual and whether they are capable of doing the tough job they were trained for.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I think this whole incident is awful and a policing failure which needs to be addressed - but there is one thing I remain utterly convinced of, which is that the Sikh community by-and-large is a massive net positive for this country despite being quite a small population. They are one of the most generous, charitable and tolerant groups out there and the amount of work they do voluntarily for wider British society should not be undermined by this event. Unless something drastic happens, I will always stick up for them on that front.

It is no surprise to me that for many of them, their first reaction is going to be one of dismay and horror and an attempt to try and correct the wrongs perpetrated by one of their number.
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Great post, I would do away with ceremonial/culture carrying of knives mind. In 2026 we could really do with moving away from organised religion tbh.
 
bert38 said:
you can have one for that too.
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I’m not that needy, just puzzled why you take the view it’s an opportunity for the far right.

The police fucked up here (unfortunately) and action needs taking. At least the justice system got it right as far as the accused.

Unlike those cunts at Manchester airport who got away with it, but you defended the “system” when clearly everyone knew they were guilty, a bullshit defence and dodgy jury, and I’d suggest you know it.

I wonder if the twat who murdered Henry Nowak will launch a claim
From prison because his turban was pulled off and he had a swollen eye?
 
Ho Chi Man City said:
I’m not that needy, just puzzled why you take the view it’s an opportunity for the far right.

The police fucked up here (unfortunately) and action needs taking. At least the justice system got it right as far as the accused.

Unlike those cunts at Manchester airport who got away with it, but you defended the “system” when clearly everyone knew they were guilty, a bullshit defence and dodgy jury, and I’d suggest you know it.

I wonder if the twat who murdered Henry Nowak will launch a claim
From prison because his turban was pulled off and he had a swollen eye?
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You didn't hear Farage? You didn't see the usual suspects at Southampton the very same day?

I believe the offenders were guilty of all offences at manchester airport-but I will always defend our justice system.

Police officers will also fuck up-its the nature of the job no matter what people think.
 
bert38 said:
I have said numerous times that the officer was set on a mindset that had been created in large part by a false narrative-compounded by the belief that the 'offender' was just an intoxicated male-that dictated how he approached Henry and how he responded to his pleas. I'm not defending it-I'm trying to explain why that path may have been followed.

And to add-the Judge does defend him.

The IPOC have said all the police are still being treated as witnesses (which means they have not as yet been served with misconduct papers).

Are they all embarrassing, defensive idiots?
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What, judges? Yes, most of them are.
 
bert38 said:
haha another fan-you'll get the thread closed you berk.
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And another thread will likely just be started again. I find it odd the same people who were so optimistic to have discussions regarding policing post-George Floyd are vehemently trying to shut down discussion. People like Starmer can't have it both ways and are making it worse.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
And another thread will likely just be started again. I find it odd the same people who were so optimistic to have discussions regarding policing post-George Floyd are vehemently trying to shut down discussion. People like Starmer can't have it both ways and are making it worse.
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you told me to wind my neck in...what is that exactly?

Floyd is completely different-policing in america is completely different.
 
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