Hiroshima Day

[BobKowalski]

The Americans vaporised 140,000 men, women and children in a blink of an eye, so you’re going to need a shitload of justification to square that decision.

For those at the heart of it, and there at the time, I suspect the doubts would have been largely practical - would it work and if it didn’t could the Japanese have learnt from it. The propaganda benefit to the Japanese on its people would also have been immense. The ‘Americans are trying to wipe us from the face of the earth’.

The Americans had the chance to finish the war as painlessly for them as possible and took it. Everything else is just words and attempts to justify that decision, but they were always going to do it once they had the means to do it.

 

[Blue Mist]

The Americans vaporised 140,000 men, women and children in a blink of an eye, so you’re going to need a shitload of justification to square that decision.

For those at the heart of it, and there at the time, I suspect the doubts would have been largely practical - would it work and if it didn’t could the Japanese have learnt from it. The propaganda benefit to the Japanese on its people would also have been immense. The ‘Americans are trying to wipe us from the face of the earth’.

The Americans had the chance to finish the war as painlessly for them as possible and took it. Everything else is just words and attempts to justify that decision, but they were always going to do it once they had the means to do it.

A shitload of justification.....OK how about, why should one more American, english Australian person lose a life for the sake of defeating a vicious, sadistic, evil regime. The Japanese tortured, starved, murdered thousands. I would have vaporised the lot.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think Hiroshima was bombed for lots of reasons. Partly to end the war swiftly and spare allied lives, partly as the conclusion of Oppenheimer's experiment - they needed a real test of the feasibility of delivering this weapon and to see the scale of destruction, and finally as a massive dick waving excersise to attempt to coerce Stalin into curtailing his expansionism and accepting the US vision of a new world order. It can be argued all day long in what order of priority these things were, but they are all true I think. Our scramble for our own weapon in the late 40's was not a real attempt to be capable of deterring or waging war, but rather a means of remaining at the political 'top table' despite the loss of empire, global standing and state indebtedness which made us almost bankrupt.
The renewal of trident is as much about this political power as military power. This is why 'rogue' or pariah states so often hanker for their own nukes.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

A shitload of justification.....OK how about, why should one more American, english Australian person lose a life for the sake of defeating a vicious, sadistic, evil regime. The Japanese tortured, starved, murdered thousands. I would have vaporised the lot.

Children?

 

[Vic]

A shitload of justification.....OK how about, why should one more American, english Australian person lose a life for the sake of defeating a vicious, sadistic, evil regime. The Japanese tortured, starved, murdered thousands. I would have vaporised the lot.

Given our colonial history of torturing, starving and murdering people, that's not a pretty argument.

 

[BobKowalski]

A shitload of justification.....OK how about, why should one more American, english Australian person lose a life for the sake of defeating a vicious, sadistic, evil regime. The Japanese tortured, starved, murdered thousands. I would have vaporised the lot.

The self own is epic.

 

[Blue Mist]

Children?

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I'm old enough to know people, relatives that fought in the war. Children were victims of bombs in England, Germany, Holland, on ships, the enemy did not bother who was a casualty so please, pictures of children in a wooden cart, !

Try a picture of a British soldier looking like a skeleton.

 

[Blue Mist]

The self own is epic.

What does that mean?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'm old enough to know people, relatives that fought in the war. Children were victims of bombs in England, Germany, Holland, on ships, the enemy did not bother who was a casualty so please, pictures of children in a wooden cart, !

Try a picture of a British soldier looking like a skeleton.

Good god this is insane. You asked for a reason not to do it, and I provided you with one, I could have posted a more harrowing and horrific photo but thought you would have got the point without the need to post gruesome images in breach of the CoC.

The fact that you don't consider the "collateral damage" of innocent children relevant is very telling.

 

[inbetween]

Good god this is insane. You asked for a reason not to do it, and I provided you with one, I could have posted a more harrowing and horrific photo but thought you would have got the point without the need to post gruesome images in breach of the CoC.

The fact that you don't consider the "collateral damage" of innocent children relevant is very telling.

There is no winner here, would you not drop the bomb but instead swap that picture for one of dead British children or soldiers? Again, the morals of today cannot be applied to those living in that situation 70 years ago.

Over 85%+ of Americans at the time approved of the use of the bombs and even 30% of Japanese people approved of it until relatively recently too!