hitler.

Re: Was Hitler that bad?

Is someone more evil for killing 60m, than someone who commits only one murder?
 
Re: Was Hitler that bad?

roaminblue said:
nashark said:
Indoctrination is not the same as coercion.
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It isn't and this wasn't coercion.

It was years and years of black propoganda, and media ops. It was indoncrination in every sense. children grew up learning maths which, apart from the basic arithmatic, also instilled a fear and hatred of Jewish people, or the mentally ill, or the handicapped.

This is an actuall textbook question:

To keep a mentally ill person costs approx. 4 RM per day, a cripple 5.50 RM, a criminal 3.50 RM. Many civil servants receive only 4 RM per day, white collar employees barely 3.50 RM, unskilled workers not even 2 RM per head for their families. (a) Illustrate these figures with a diagram. According to conservative estimates there are 300,000 mentally ill, epileptics, etc. in care. (b) How much do these people cost to keep in total, at a cost of 4 RM per head? (c) How many marriage loans at 1000 RM each … could be granted from this money?*

check out this website:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mills-mary/mills-00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mil ... ls-00.html</a>

Hitler and his govermnent were completely changing and developing the mindset to be in line with their own ideology and it infiltrated everything.

He was developing a group of people that would share his beliefs, and keep on sharing his beliefs until the end of time
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This. Good find.

I can't fucking believe any twat would have the audacity to post such an idiotic question with no qualification whatsoever. But then, he does apparently know more about history than anyone on the planet so I guess that's ok. The whole education system, popular culture and political discourse was handed over to a pedagoguey of hatred and misinformation. Sorry to tell you, a lot of people are pretty thick, unlike you with your history Phd presumably, and believe what they're told. Shit - my mum believes the Daily Express and that's not even subtle by comparison.
 
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felixbg said:
he did a remarkable job bringing germany back from the crippled nation it was after the League of Nations had had its way. still an evil bastard though, even if he was slightly misunderstood.
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He did. And Pol Pot was right to be pissed off about American incursions into Cambodia to try and halt North Vietnamese supply lines.
 
Re: Was Hitler that bad?

They had questions not too dissimilar to this on history S-Level papers. I don't think you can do them any more but they were additional GCE beyond A' Levels that the more capable A' Level students may also have been put in for.

They would as things like "how did Hitler improve the German nation".

It is history not politics so no need for hysterical reactions.
 
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I believe the German people could have done more to try and stop the rise of Hitler but the German security services and propaganda were exceptionally good at creating a terror state where everyone was living in constant fear of doing anything against the Nazi party. There was a German resistance but this was offered no help by the 'Allies' who disputed it's existence. Niemollers poem sums up the prevalent attitude in Hitlers Germany imo.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.

It was easy to stay quiet whilst people whose views/religions/cultures you often disagreed with disappeared and then before too long there was nothing you could do the government was embedded and the indoctrination was beginning to take hold.

In answer to the OP yes he was. Just as under Mussolini 'the trains ran on time' there were aspects of Hitler's Germany, taken in isolation, that could be seen as positive however the atrocities that he ordered far, far outweigh these.
 
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He ate nothing but Cabbage soup and farted uncontrollably.

He was a crashing bore, his small talk revolved around the mating habits of dogs, and he was a drug addict.

I can't think of anything else positive to say about him!
 
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he was a fuckface, because he coerced ordinary people into doing unspeakably evil deeds. the indoctrination was merely the groundwork for what followed. little by little he removed the boundaries of normal life. the nazi soldiers were often physically sick and mentally incapacitated by the task they were told to do. to hitler, these were problems of efficiency and logistics.
 
Re: Was Hitler that bad?

Corky said:
They had questions not too dissimilar to this on history S-Level papers. I don't think you can do them any more but they were additional GCE beyond A' Levels that the more capable A' Level students may also have been put in for.

They would as things like "how did Hitler improve the German nation".

It is history not politics so no need for hysterical reactions.
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Oh come on - I did history S-level, but this wasn't phrased in any sort of intelligent 'Hitler was really rather bad, but he did drag a collapsing economy to the brink of world domination - how can we reconcile these facts?' way. It was an attention seeking effort to get people angry. It's not a case of hysterical reactions, it's about phrasing things in such a manner as not to cause massive offence and sound ridiculously childish and ignorant. With the OP's astounding knowledge of history, you'd thing he'd have picked up something about diplomacy on the way!
 
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In answer to your question, No, hitler wasn't that bad.

The Reichstag wouldn't have looked this good if he didn't burn it down.

reichstag.jpg




And he had the right Idea about women.

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Children, Church, KITCHEN
 
Re: Was Hitler that bad?

Hitler as a person was a c*nt of the highest order and words cannot describe how terrible some of his ideas were, but as a leader he was very good at getting things done, he was a great public speaker and managed to drag Germany up from the crippled state it was to a country whcih controlled most of europe. However this doesnt mean that he wasnt a very sick person who commited unspeakable acts of genocide.

So to answer the question, yes he was that bad as what he did in attempting to kill all jews, homosexuals, anyone with a disabilty and anyone who did not meet his requirements for the arien race and ultimatley ended in the death of 60m people.
 
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Would Hitler have done a better job in the first half of this season than Mark Hughes?
 
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Mikem93 said:
So to answer the question, yes he was that bad as what he did in attempting to kill all jews, homosexuals, anyone with a disabilty and anyone who did not meet his requirements for the arien race and ultimatley ended in the death of 60m people.
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* and communists.
 
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erocsevil said:
And he had the right Idea about women.

1999-kinder-kueche-kirche.jpg
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Could agree with the overall sentiment, but church and children? Shit - he couldn't even get misogyny right!
 
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