Home Grown Talent Ruling

[D.Siddall1989]

Is anybody else slightly worried about the ruling the premier league clubs have agreed to? I'm more than happy with all the much needed signing we're making.

Worryingly I feel like i'm hearing less and less about first team opportunities for the youth players...

Hopefully someone will correct me but i get the feeling this will come to bite us in the arse in a few years time. We have some VERY good youth players (guidetti being one) on the fringes and a few played pre-season which was good to see and I was hoping this would lead onto something more concrete. I know its early days yet but i just don't want City to go spending big in every transfer market when we may potentially have the same player right under our noses!

First thread post so please go easy on me!!!

 

[CityForever45]

The club knows it, that's why we have people like Razak , Suarez, Wabara, Assulin and others ;all have a fair chance to become first team players.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html

home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

For the purposes of this rule, the season is deemed to run from the date the first transfer window closes until the final match of the campaign.

Under this rule if my understanding is correct AJ is home grown even though we bought him as is Milner and Barry

 

[Jordie]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html

home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

For the purposes of this rule, the season is deemed to run from the date the first transfer window closes until the final match of the campaign.

Under this rule if my understanding is correct AJ is home grown even though we bought him as is Milner and Barry

Also Richards, Lescott and Joey Hart.

 

[D.Siddall1989]

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2094341,00.html

home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

For the purposes of this rule, the season is deemed to run from the date the first transfer window closes until the final match of the campaign.

Under this rule if my understanding is correct AJ is home grown even though we bought him as is Milner and Barry

Thats good then, as will hart next year?

It wasn't just the ruling i was worried about, the lack of first team action too

 

[Dom38]

Hart (HG), Pantilimon, Taylor(HG)

Boyata(HG), Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy (HG), Lescott (HG), Savic, Richards (HG), K Toure, Zabaleta.

Barry (HG), Ibrahim (HG), Johnson (HG), De Jong, Milner (HG), Razak, Silva, Y Toure, Wright-Phillips (HG), Nasri.

Balotelli, Dzeko, Aguero, Tchuimeni-Nimely, Tevez.

There's our likely squad for the new league, 11 home grown players in there. It is a shame that some of our youngsters (The ones too old to play in the next-gen tournament) are being left out. Looking at Weiss' twitter, however, stops me feeling sorry for him.

 

[D.Siddall1989]

Hart (HG), Pantilimon, Taylor(HG)

Boyata(HG), Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy (HG), Lescott (HG), Savic, Richards (HG), K Toure, Zabaleta.

Barry (HG), Ibrahim (HG), Johnson (HG), De Jong, Milner (HG), Razak, Silva, Y Toure, Wright-Phillips (HG), Nasri.

Balotelli, Dzeko, Aguero, Tchuimeni-Nimely, Tevez.

There's our likely squad for the new league, 11 home grown players in there. It is a shame that some of our youngsters (The ones too old to play in the next-gen tournament) are being left out. Looking at Weiss' twitter, however, stops me feeling sorry for him.

Whats he saying? I had no idea he was a bitch?


I'd love to see us end up like barca. Its like they have a conveyor belt of quality youth players

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

Hart (HG), Pantilimon, Taylor(HG)

Boyata(HG), Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy (HG), Lescott (HG), Savic, Richards (HG), K Toure, Zabaleta.

Barry (HG), Ibrahim (HG), Johnson (HG), De Jong, Milner (HG), Razak, Silva, Y Toure, Wright-Phillips (HG), Nasri.

Balotelli, Dzeko, Aguero, Tchuimeni-Nimely, Tevez.

There's our likely squad for the new league, 11 home grown players in there. It is a shame that some of our youngsters (The ones too old to play in the next-gen tournament) are being left out. Looking at Weiss' twitter, however, stops me feeling sorry for him.

Indeed total consumed by Rangers. Ally didn't want him probably because of that sectarian rant he did on twitter...and to quote Vladi that may well be a "true story"

 

[Dom38]

Hart (HG), Pantilimon, Taylor(HG)

Boyata(HG), Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy (HG), Lescott (HG), Savic, Richards (HG), K Toure, Zabaleta.

Barry (HG), Ibrahim (HG), Johnson (HG), De Jong, Milner (HG), Razak, Silva, Y Toure, Wright-Phillips (HG), Nasri.

Balotelli, Dzeko, Aguero, Tchuimeni-Nimely, Tevez.

There's our likely squad for the new league, 11 home grown players in there. It is a shame that some of our youngsters (The ones too old to play in the next-gen tournament) are being left out. Looking at Weiss' twitter, however, stops me feeling sorry for him.

Whats he saying? I had no idea he was a bitch?


I'd love to see us end up like barca. Its like they have a conveyor belt of quality youth players

maybe my last session at man city.... Emotional.... Rangers forever!!!! <a class="postlink" href="http://lockerz.com/s/131911656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://lockerz.com/s/131911656</a>

And similar stuff.

 

[D.Siddall1989]

Hart (HG), Pantilimon, Taylor(HG)

Boyata(HG), Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy (HG), Lescott (HG), Savic, Richards (HG), K Toure, Zabaleta.

Barry (HG), Ibrahim (HG), Johnson (HG), De Jong, Milner (HG), Razak, Silva, Y Toure, Wright-Phillips (HG), Nasri.

Balotelli, Dzeko, Aguero, Tchuimeni-Nimely, Tevez.

There's our likely squad for the new league, 11 home grown players in there. It is a shame that some of our youngsters (The ones too old to play in the next-gen tournament) are being left out. Looking at Weiss' twitter, however, stops me feeling sorry for him.

Whats he saying? I had no idea he was a bitch?


I'd love to see us end up like barca. Its like they have a conveyor belt of quality youth players

maybe my last session at man city.... Emotional.... Rangers forever!!!! <a class="postlink" href="http://lockerz.com/s/131911656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://lockerz.com/s/131911656</a>

And similar stuff.

Could do with less of that...

 

[law74]

We have bought big in the last couple of years to get from where we were to where we wanted to be, now we are there or very nearly there, there will be a LOT less big spending, but the kids will get their chance in "lesser" games or when injuries take their toll, it will then be up to them to prove they are worth keeping the shirt.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Isn't this the reason we're investing a couple of hundred million in the new site over the road

 

[D.Siddall1989]

Isn't this the reason we're investing a couple of hundred million in the new site over the road

Part of, it will be a while before we start reaping the rewards from that though...

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Isn't this the reason we're investing a couple of hundred million in the new site over the road

Part of, it will be a while before we start reaping the rewards from that though...

It will be a while, possibly a decade.

I know these examples are on a national level and we are at club level, but:
Around 1990 the French FA realised something needed to be revolutionised in regards to developing young players, because they were producing next to none, so Clairefontaine was set up. In 1998 and 2000 France won the World Cup and European Championships.
Around the late 90's the Spanish FA really bought into Johan Cruyff's Dutch Total Football he re-used with Barcelona. In 2008 and 2010 Spain won the Euro's and the World Cup.
When a very poor England knocked Germany out of Euro 2000 and a better England beat Germany 5-1 in München, the German FA realised they needed to revolutionise the way they were developing young talent. They won the U21 Euro's in 2009 and they are developing young talent at many clubs left right and centre. Not only this, but Bundesliga is the fatsest growing sporting league in the world. I can see it being the numer one league in the world within a decade.

The English FA are to develop a new centre of excellence. and City too our own. But like the above examples, it could take a full decade before we see proper results.

 

[Mostovoi]

D.Siddall1989 I think is quite right.
The quarry must be cared for and provide opportunities in the first team. As Arsen Wegner ago with Arsenal in the Carling Cup where they came from big players like Cesc Fabregas, Jack Wilshare, Ramsey etc.
Here in Spain, you have the clearest example. For many millions spent on R. Madrid (300 million last year) you can not beat players from the youth ranks at Barcelona that have cost 0.
Players of Madrid's youth have to find other teams to succeed such as Juan Mata, who has just signed for Chelsea, Samuel Eto'o, Borja Valero (Villareal), Dani Parejo and Roberto Soldado (Valencia). All ruled out of Madrid.
In the opposite Barcelona, Guardiola trust them and makes them play, has managed to have a dram team.
but what is coming in the future will be even better (THIAGO ALCANTARA next Ronaldinho Gaucho, GERARD DEULOUFEU, world class under 18, Muniesa, ISAAC CUENCA, Fontas, J. DOS SANTOS, SERGIO ROBERTO .. these guys are great .
Especially THIAGO and DEULOFEOU.
Sorry for my bad English, I'm still learning the language.
greetings to all

 

[bluealf]

It's better than Google translator lol

welcome

 

[Joga Bonito]

D.Siddall1989 I think is quite right.
The quarry must be cared for and provide opportunities in the first team. As Arsen Wegner ago with Arsenal in the Carling Cup where they came from big players like Cesc Fabregas, Jack Wilshare, Ramsey etc.
Here in Spain, you have the clearest example. For many millions spent on R. Madrid (300 million last year) you can not beat players from the youth ranks at Barcelona that have cost 0.
Players of Madrid's youth have to find other teams to succeed such as Juan Mata, who has just signed for Chelsea, Samuel Eto'o, Borja Valero (Villareal), Dani Parejo and Roberto Soldado (Valencia). All ruled out of Madrid.
In the opposite Barcelona, Guardiola trust them and makes them play, has managed to have a dram team.
but what is coming in the future will be even better (THIAGO ALCANTARA next Ronaldinho Gaucho, GERARD DEULOUFEU, world class under 18, Muniesa, ISAAC CUENCA, Fontas, J. DOS SANTOS, SERGIO ROBERTO .. these guys are great .
Especially THIAGO and DEULOFEOU.
Sorry for my bad English, I'm still learning the language.
greetings to all

rag