Homophobia in football

Well that’s the point. If homophobia is not a big deal, then there would have been a lot of pl footballers coming out. The fact they haven’t is precisely why the support for LGBT community is so crucial.

You’ve made a wild assumption that there’s lots of gay footballers plying their trade in the premier league. There is simply no evidence of that.

I was more convinced by an earlier poster who said it’s possible that gay footballers are dropping out of football at a younger age.
 
You’ve made a wild assumption that there’s lots of gay footballers plying their trade in the premier league. There is simply no evidence of that.

I was more convinced by an earlier poster who said it’s possible that gay footballers are dropping out of football at a younger age.
Either way, it shouldn’t make any difference. If an openly gay player appeared for City, there would be a small bunch of arseoles booing or whatever but the vast majority couldn’t care less. They’d be asking, does he track back?
 
You’ve made a wild assumption that there’s lots of gay footballers plying their trade in the premier league. There is simply no evidence of that.

I was more convinced by an earlier poster who said it’s possible that gay footballers are dropping out of football at a younger age.

Just under 4% of the UK male population identify as gay, of course there are men who are gay who do not identify as such, so the figure is likely to be larger, but if you run with 4%, the Premier League has 533 players, so if the PL is a reflection of the male UK population just over 21 players are gay.

You make reference to someone posting earlier that all sorts of societal pressures kick in that prevent gay players from pursuing a career as professional footballers, but even if that wipes out 50% of that number and given that this is back of a fag packet maths, there should be at least a handful of players who are gay, yet the Premier League have zero who are openly gay.

That's so bloody depressing.
 
Just under 4% of the UK male population identify as gay, of course there are men who are gay who do not identify as such, so the figure is likely to be larger, but if you run with 4%, the Premier League has 533 players, so if the PL is a reflection of the male UK population just over 21 players are gay.

You make reference to someone posting earlier that all sorts of societal pressures kick in that prevent gay players from pursuing a career as professional footballers, but even if that wipes out 50% of that number and given that this is back of a fag packet maths, there should be at least a handful of players who are gay, yet the Premier League have zero who are openly gay.

That's so bloody depressing.

I would imagine some industries have a higher representation so I don’t believe there are 500+ hiding in the premier league. I support the rainbow laces as a campaign but there is no evidence that there will be a huge amount of gay premier league players but hopefully the campaign helps fight homophobia.
 
The religion or sex preferences of individuals is nothing to do with anyone, only those involved in any relationships and then it's purely a private matter.
I don't wish to know or get involved to the point that it causes more bother than it's worth and I really am not interested.... Nor should anyone else be.
We should bring in laws like Singapore for religion.

In your place of worship do what you want, when you want but outside of that place no canvassing of your religion.

What anyone sexual preference, religion or beliefs is is utterly irrelevant in sport or for that matter life.
 
There could be a wide ranging list of reasons why someone might choose not to, within their perfectly normal right not to.

Some might have religious reasons. Some might be not wanting to have gimmicks forced into football and don’t want this or the poppy or the pointless kneeling down against racism in football at all. Some might have full support for gay, lesbian and bisexual people but may disagree with the morals around certain trans issues and how they’re dealt with medically, so don’t want to support the cause since it became more than just LGB. Some might have full support for gay, lesbian and bisexual people but disagree with trans people playing women’s football, so don’t want to support the cause since it became more than just LGB. Some might be superstitious and want to wear their lucky captain’s armband at all times, bar none. And there could be as many legitimate reasons again on top of those.
 
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I would imagine some industries have a higher representation so I don’t believe there are 500+ hiding in the premier league. I support the rainbow laces as a campaign but there is no evidence that there will be a huge amount of gay premier league players but hopefully the campaign helps fight homophobia.

How many ex-players have declared themselves after they have retired when the "pressure" is off? That may give an indication of the number. Although why it fucking matters I have no idea.
 
I would imagine some industries have a higher representation so I don’t believe there are 500+ hiding in the premier league. I support the rainbow laces as a campaign but there is no evidence that there will be a huge amount of gay premier league players but hopefully the campaign helps fight homophobia.

That's an interesting point you make, it's taken as read that gay folk gravitate to certain professions, the arts and so on, but I don't think that's the case.

I believe that in the arts it's easier to be expressive and that extends to ones sexuality, but the gay folk I know come from all walks of life and various professions, the one thing I've noticed is it's easier for the well heeled, the middle classes and the well educated to either come out openly, come out partially to a select circle of friends and confidantes, or to carve a hidden life that runs surreptitiously along side their straight public persona.

As in everything, for younger gays the family is key, and while my knowledge is dated on this aspect, I think it's fair to say it's tougher for working class kids.

But there's a misconception about all this, ones sexuality is an important part of ones life, but in very rare cases is it the defining characteristic of who one is, think about whether your sexuality is your defining characteristic. Nor does it bring a unanimity of thought and purpose.

Just because Lesbians, gays and bisexuals worldwide can suffer persecution, that runs the gamut from mild reproach right through to the death penalty, does not mean gay folk have one unified voice, they don't. The gays I know have given up on Manchester Pride, hate the laces with a passion and despise Stonewall, but they tend to be older gay guys and Lesbians, I don't know so much what younger gay folk think coz I don't know any.

All I'm saying is there's no more one size fits all for gay folk than for any other group, and any organisation or spokesperson who pretends to speak for the whole gay community is doing just that, pretending.
 
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