If you're talking about the,likes of Norway in terms of a relationship, unfortunately Johnson and his cronies ruled that out and so it became a non starter.Other countries have a distinctly different relationship with the EU, but that relationship is not “available” to the UK, because we dared to listen to voters who didn’t want everything the EU was “offering.”
In short, we were given an “all or nothing” ultimatum. Even though it was clear many millions of voters want a relationship with the Continent, the EU has nixed anything less than “give us all the money and none of the autonomy or nothing!”
Who didn’t, it was never a question, the ERG didn’t and it was them that drove us to the hard brexit.But we didn’t want EFTA!
Exactly. Boundaries and “ownership” are fluid over time, but where we are now is what we have to deal with.Romans never reached Ireland.
It’s said the Vikings became more Irish than the Irish themselves. Integration! Trading. Inter marriage.
Ok. Who came before them?
Who didn’t, it was never a question, the ERG didn’t and it was them that drove us to the hard brexit.
It was, though it was Gove that spoke of a free trace area from Iceland to Russia, it was Farage that advocated the Norway or Swiss models. I think both were to stupid to realise what it meant for free movement hence their back pedalling into a hard brexit. It fooled many voters though including sorry to say my parents who went on to regret their vote.It was never going to be possible. The referendum campaign was dominated by freedom of movement and racism.
How would it be sold as anything other than a betrayal to accept free movement?
It was, though it was Gove that spoke of a free trace area from Iceland to Russia, it was Farage that advocated the Norway or Swiss models. I think both were to stupid to realise what it meant for free movement hence their back pedalling into a hard brexit. It fooled many voters though including sorry to say my parents who went on to regret their vote.
I completely understand why it never happened. My point was pointing out to say 'we didn't want EFTA' is wrong because voters were never asked and at least a proportion of those that voted leave will have listened to Gove and Farage and others and believed them when they implied a version of EFTA was on the table,and possible.Or they knew what they were doing? And they simply said different things to different audiences.
Brexit came into being to keep the Tory party together. A "betrayal" on free movement would have split the party. In fact I think it would actually have caused the rise of reform or another far right party sooner, and riots on the street.
Why would Theresa May have tried to push it through?
They could point out that the loss of free movement has not brought down the number of people arriving, and those folk arriving now tend to stay, whereas under free movement large numbers went back home or to pastures new over time.It was never going to be possible. The referendum campaign was dominated by freedom of movement and racism.
How would it be sold as anything other than a betrayal to accept free movement?
They could point out that the loss of free movement has not brought down the number of people arriving, and those folk arriving now tend to stay, whereas under free movement large numbers went back home or to pastures new over time.
And even the most ignorant racist must've noticed that all those Poles, Romanians, Estonians with their orthodox Christianity, Catholicism and white skin, have now been replaced with Nigerians, Asians and various other folk whose skin colour and religion they've always detested.
It’s definitely one significant Brexit benefit seeing all the horrible racist cunts being hoisted by their own petard. They have literally voted to increase the number of Black and Asian immigrants.And even the most ignorant racist must've noticed that all those Poles, Romanians, Estonians with their orthodox Christianity, Catholicism and white skin, have now been replaced with Nigerians, Asians and various other folk whose skin colour and religion they've always detested.