How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[mancity2012_eamo]

Sounds like the UK, except Ireland, Wales and Scotland were forced into the UK, whereas joining the EU was a choice.

Careful now.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yeah, the thread is poorly worded TBF.

‘Brexit is wank’ would be more apposite.

 

[grunge]

I am and always will be staunchly pro EU.

But if the UK wants to make a success of Brexit the single biggest chance is AI. We ( the world ) are on the cusp of the next Industrial Revolution with AI and one thing the EU is doing wrong is trying to regulate it so much. That regulation while possibly a good idea long term will mean being left behind.

The UK could be at the forefront of AI but we are failing on it because we are still linked to the EU on regulations effecting it.

The AI ship is sailing. The US and China are away and sailing but still in the port. The EU is behind, barely loading the boat and we are stuck with them.

If the UK wants it, this is our chance. It’s possible it’s too late but we could still be at somewhere to the front of the race. If we have the balls to do it.

I will caveat this post with “much booze consumed”

 

[RayCTID]

It is beyond fixing. Farage and co have well and truly stiched the UK up.

 

[hampshireblue]

No no no. Imposing regulatory standards whether harmonised or not and then assuming that this will create more business is total lunacy. Regulation is utterly irrelevant to this picture, more regulation in any form always increases costs and always reduces competitiveness. The EU is obsessed with protectionist, anti-competitive regulation and that's why just for a start there will never be an EU free trade deal with the UK. Fool on us, fool on them.

Ultimately the EU as an entity is happy providing that it retains market protectionism but I doubt that its citizens are happy. You're arguing for nothing more than to take advantage and join in with this protectionism. This however suits accountants and lawyers but it doesn't put food on the table. If it did then where is the growth and penny for the thoughts of anybody in the North whose manufacturing job was exported to cheaper shores.

If we want new growth, jobs and wealth then forget the rules, tear up the rules, give companies access to free capital and allow them to take risks. That is what the growing part of the world is doing because they have access to money and they also have regulatory freedom which gives rise to innovation and greater competitiveness. If the US moves to deregulate under Trump then the EU and UK are even more f*cked.

We're never going to see this type of innovation in Europe if we truly believe that a subset of rules set by random old farts in Brussels is the answer. It takes the EU YEARS to decide upon a rule and by that point China has already built entire new cities, factories and jobs. We can harmonise the rules but we can't let ourselves be defined by it but that has become the epitomy of the EU's existence and it's driving Europe into the ground.

China is the largest economic superpower ever to exist but China is not worrying about regulation, it's worrying about global competitive dominance. This is do or die and choosing to be uncompetitive and protect what's within is choosing to die. The EU has therefore actually already given up, it is closing down the shop and telling its citizens to get down into the bunker.

Wasn't it the lack of regulatory standards that led to the Global Financial Crash?

By tearing up the rules, you give organisations carte blanche to mis-treat staff, ignore safety standards, basically whatever the product, the public will have no idea how it is produced. Most "rules" are there to protect the end user.

Are you actually advocating the way China goes about doing things?

 

[Blue Llama]

Wasn't it the lack of regulatory standards that led to the Global Financial Crash?

By tearing up the rules, you give organisations carte blanche to mis-treat staff, ignore safety standards, basically whatever the product, the public will have no idea how it is produced.

Are you actually advocating the way China goes about doing things?

Well, China would not have given the populace a vote on brexit. So whose to say they get everything wrong?

 

[meltonblue]

Several non-EU European countries have special trade agreements with the EU, primarily through the European Free Trade Association (EFTA).

The EFTA includes:
• Iceland
• Liechtenstein
• Norway

These countries participate in the European Economic Area (EEA), allowing them to access the EU’s single market while not being EU members.

Switzerland, although not in the EEA, has numerous bilateral agreements with the EU that facilitate trade and cooperation.

Other non-EU countries like Andorra and San Marino also have specific trade arrangements with the EU.

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But we didn’t want EFTA!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Sounds like the UK, except Ireland, Wales and Scotland were forced into the UK, whereas joining the EU was a choice.

How far back do you want to go? Roman’s? Vikings?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

How far back do you want to go? Roman’s? Vikings?

Romans never reached Ireland.
It’s said the Vikings became more Irish than the Irish themselves. Integration! Trading. Inter marriage.

Ok. Who came before them?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

But we didn’t want EFTA!

What was there before EFTA?

I’m not saying the UK wanted anything or nothing that has been done before, only that things didn’t work out as planned, and there’s plenty of blame on both sides why, imho.