How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[west didsblue]

that was the %age of those who voted - the overall picture is very different these days as pennies drop

I find it amazing that over 1 in 3 still think it was right when you look at the shit show. The blame everyone else strategy used by the government and propagated in the Mail and Express must still be working quite well.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

not the way it reads in your reply to BlueMaverick.

To you maybe, but hopefully I’ve now clarified.

 

[bluethrunthru]

a competent govt would have negotiated these things before leaving or maybe in the 6 years since we left - this lot found it more productive to lash out and play the blame game

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[The Future’s Blue!]

Tell us what’s great about Brexit then. That’s what this thread is supposed to be about. Trouble is no one’s thought of anything yet.

He’s not come in to debate, just throwing a hand-grenade in to make himself feel better.

 

[Allnightlong]

To you maybe, but hopefully I’ve now clarified.

ok

 

[Gabriel]

I was more meaning that they wouldn't go for an extreme version. I certainly agree that only a nutter would take the UK route of chaos incarnate without planning. They'd also not charge into it because there was an election to win - there would be no rush.
Land borders are an obvious issue for most of them, although without the "no hard border" aspect of the GFA to be in the way. In many ways, the cavalier "it'll all be fine" approach over that is borderline criminal neglect of the UK.

Without the UK acting as a brake, the EU has been able to accelerate and deepen its integration, something which global events have also impacted. As such, any recalcitrant Member State would be starting from a position of already greater integration than the UK, and quite frankly the idea of ‘going it alone’ in any sense doesn’t look quite as alluring in 2022.

The ‘it’ll be alright’ attitude is the most bewildering thing. We can see from the list posted by @Saddleworth2 that things are patently not alright, and there is no reason to believe that the same attitude will not be equally wrong in regards to delivering on the promises made about dealings with the international community.

The English have been sold a pup and any decent opposition party would take that litany of failures and crucify the Government on it.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

It’s a nasty little incontinent pup running around leaving unexpected little piles everywhere it goes.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s a nasty little incontinent pup running around leaving unexpected little piles everywhere it goes.

This isn't the Johnson thread.

 

[bluethrunthru]

As for Dover I have noticed an interesting change in language - remember also the head of the Port of Dover is a staunch pro-Leaver.

Friday and Saturday were a fiasco which they felt could only be explained away by blaming the French. When that was refuted and proved incorrect there was a bit of fucking about and things started to get back into some sort of order the Head of the Port of Dover started claiming everything was "back to normal" and this is the important bit "within the Port of Dover facility" and he went on to rightly stress that he has no jurisdiction over what happens on the roads outside. That was jumped on by the Govt and Tory pundits that all was now well. There are reports overnight of 21 hour delays to get into the Port of Dover facility.

The Govt today are pointing out - rightly - we were never in the Schengen Group of countries and that there was also a requirement to show passports to enter EU countries. However that was a cursory wave of the passport and the delays are caused by the necessary checks and stamping of passports to prove dates in and out of the EU - something that the Govt itself insisted on in negotiations but seem to keep forgetting to mention - which inevitably takes longer. They are also avoiding mention that prior to Dover the news stories were full of the problems at airports. These are now off the front page for fear of highlighting the two issues which can then be conjoined. The fact is that by trying to play the blame game they are highlighting all the lies - Johnson NEVER got Brexit done and we have NOT taken back control. All this talk of punishment for us is bollocks - if they wanted to punish us just don't man any border posts keep the barriers down agitate the French Border Agents Union and get them to strike and it would show how little control taking back control has won us.

The only bit we now seem to have in control is the short drive from the entrance to the Port of Dover to the border posts which they have got down to one hour. Outside in Kent it remains chaos and at our insistence the process of leaving the country is greatly slowed down.

 

[Gabriel]

As for Dover I have noticed an interesting change in language - remember also the head of the Port of Dover is a staunch pro-Leaver.

Friday and Saturday were a fiasco which they felt could only be explained away by blaming the French. When that was refuted and proved incorrect there was a bit of fucking about and things started to get back into some sort of order the Head of the Port of Dover started claiming everything was "back to normal" and this is the important bit "within the Port of Dover facility" and he went on to rightly stress that he has no jurisdiction over what happens on the roads outside. That was jumped on by the Govt and Tory pundits that all was now well. There are reports overnight of 21 hour delays to get into the Port of Dover facility.

The Govt today are pointing out - rightly - we were never in the Schengen Group of countries and that there was also a requirement to show passports to enter EU countries. However that was a cursory wave of the passport and the delays are caused by the necessary checks and stamping of passports to prove dates in and out of the EU - something that the Govt itself insisted on in negotiations but seem to keep forgetting to mention - which inevitably takes longer. They are also avoiding mention that prior to Dover the news stories were full of the problems at airports. These are now off the front page for fear of highlighting the two issues which can then be conjoined. The fact is that by trying to play the blame game they are highlighting all the lies - Johnson NEVER got Brexit done and we have NOT taken back control. All this talk of punishment for us is bollocks - if they wanted to punish us just don't man any border posts keep the barriers down agitate the French Border Agents Union and get them to strike and it would show how little control taking back control has won us.

The only bit we now seem to have in control is the short drive from the entrance to the Port of Dover to the border posts which they have got down to one hour. Outside in Kent it remains chaos and at our insistence the process of leaving the country is greatly slowed down.

It’s impossible to accept that this has anything to do with Brexit as that would then lead to accepting other things as well, and that in turn would lead to the most dangerous of things: accountability.