How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

Brexit is now really a sunk cost fallacy were Johnson - JRM and the rest are so invested in Brexit I don't think they can see the damage it is doing and will do............. they are just ploughing on and done with any truths other than their own truths that they are right.........

 

[Corky]

And the Liberal Democrats should have made legislating it a condition of their forming a coalition with the Conservatives in 2010, not having a referendum. In both cases, Labour and the Liberal Democrats were victims of their own hubris. They are blinded by the here and now and think their current success is somehow permanent.

1997 Labour Party Manifesto -

The full text of all Labour Party manifestos from 1900 to the present.

www.labour-party.org.uk

It wasn't the case. The stuff they promised, House of Lords reform, devolved power to Scotland and Wales, City Mayors - all happened.

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

So we are entering phases 4 and 5 - Frantic search for the guilty and punishment of the innocent.

In breaking news just in. Rees Mogg blames Dilyn the Jack Russell for the state of the economy, the shitstain that is Brexit, the wasted billions of Tory misspend and the war in Ukraine and it’s effects on living standards in the UK. He is also thought to be responsible for the destruction of the NHS and many other great British institutions.
He is though, absolved from the destruction of English football which is purely down to gods own.

These Tory fuckers will rewrite history before our eyes.

 

[Gabriel]

1997 Labour Party Manifesto -

The full text of all Labour Party manifestos from 1900 to the present.

www.labour-party.org.uk

It wasn't the case. The stuff they promised, House of Lords reform, devolved power to Scotland and Wales, City Mayors - all happened.

This is the point to which I was referring:

• We are committed to a referendum on the voting system for the House of Commons. An independent commission on voting systems will be appointed early to recommend a proportional alternative to the first-past-the-post system.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This is the point to which I was referring:

• We are committed to a referendum on the voting system for the House of Commons. An independent commission on voting systems will be appointed early to recommend a proportional alternative to the first-past-the-post system.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can justify our 19th century voting system, given what it has produced in recent years and the shocking standard of politicians that we are subject to today. One party gets around 40% of the vote in a GE and they can do what the fuck they want for the next five years - and fuck everyone else.


Around a tenth of the constituencies in the land determine who forms the government. The rest are a fait accompli where most people’s votes don’t matter.

How is that democratic? It certainly isn’t working anymore. The system is completely broken.

 

[Gabriel]

I’m struggling to see how anyone can justify our 19th century voting system, given what it has produced in recent years and the shocking standard of politicians that was are subject to today. One party gets around 40% of the vote in a GE and they can do what the fuck they want for the next five years - and fuck everyone else.


Around a tenth of the constituencies in the land determine who forms the government. The rest are a fait accompli where most people’s votes don’t matter.

How is that democratic? It certainly isn’t working anymore. The system is completely broken.

Concur. It’s not the panacea to all of the country’s ills, but a fairer and more representative system would arguably stop the country from lurching from one extreme to another. One criticism would be that it can lead to endless coalitions and unseemly horse trading, but It also serves to anchor the country in the centre and would mean that small and steady progress would become the norm. A professional and respected civil service would also keep the country ticking over while coalitions form. Another criticism would be that it gives a platform to the more extreme views of society, whereas the current system excludes them. But that just allows people to pretend such views are marginal and not representative, yet given what has befallen the country in recent years, it might have been preferable to have had those views incorporated and debated in an open Parliament.

 

[west didsblue]

So we are entering phases 4 and 5 - Frantic search for the guilty and punishment of the innocent.

Has Mogg not got the message that Brexit is done?

 

[babyape]

All this winning eh

‘Brexit to blame’: UK shoppers pay up to 50% more than those in EU

From Zara to Ikea and Decathlon, stores charge more for same items, Guardian Money research finds

www.theguardian.com

 

[TheBlueDune]

Concur. It’s not the panacea to all of the country’s ills, but a fairer and more representative system would arguably stop the country from lurching from one extreme to another. One criticism would be that it can lead to endless coalitions and unseemly horse trading, but It also serves to anchor the country in the centre and would mean that small and steady progress would become the norm. A professional and respected civil service would also keep the country ticking over while coalitions form. Another criticism would be that it gives a platform to the more extreme views of society, whereas the current system excludes them. But that just allows people to pretend such views are marginal and not representative, yet given what has befallen the country in recent years, it might have been preferable to have had those views incorporated and debated in an open Parliament.

I would go with an elected upper house (of lords) of say 500 members where they are appointed based on a percentage gained in a FPTP GE. Not a special or separate vote but the main vote.

If the greens got 5% of the GE vote probably 0 or 1 seat in the HOC but 25 members of the lords, (5% of 500).
They would nominate from published list of their candidates.

Would mean that people more likely to vote for minority and not see it as a wasted vote.
Would also give a moderating view on the HOC based on fairer representation.

Could be phased in with current lords being cut by 500 keeping the bishops and hereditary members to keep it an uncontentious transition, but not replaced as they die.

 

[bluethrunthru]

PROJECT HERE