How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Gabriel said:
It’s quite interesting that after months and months of omertà, tiny cracks in the dam are now appearing and allowing a trickle of truth to come through. I reckon that after Thursday, the sheer scale of the pain that is to be endured, especially for the middle class(es), will see those cracks widen further and more and more people will start to question what has happened.
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Agreed. We urgently need a sensible discussion on where we are, the damage that is being done and where we go from here. Remain/Leave is moot, so we need to think past that and start dealing with the reality of our situation.

The Govt is done, it’s an empty shell, so I don‘t expect much from then, save some belated acceptance of our situation, but the media, industry can at least get the conversation going. I also think current Govt proposals that worsen our position will get quietly dropped or pushed back. I don’t sense much energy for the fight from the 3.0 version of this Govt.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This is what I don’t get. Anyone who thought our political class would deliver Brexit with any sense of purpose and competence has a warped grasp of reality. They essentially voted for the lunatics reassuming control of the asylum. I am simply astonished that anyone with their senses together is remotely surprised by this outcome.

What the fuck were people expecting to happen? Taking back control was a terrible idea and now we are seeing its terrible reality.

What a fucking abortion.
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Not to worry GDM, They'll ban abortions soon ;)
 
Even Poor old Tommy Tuchel isn't safe

From The Telegraph

"Thomas Tuchel must leave the UK in December, due to post-Brexit laws, following his sacking from Chelsea, but two of his coaches, Zsolt Low and Benjamin Webber, who have been placed on gardening leave, can remain because they are still technically under contract"
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Even Poor old Tommy Tuchel isn't safe

From The Telegraph

"Thomas Tuchel must leave the UK in December, due to post-Brexit laws, following his sacking from Chelsea, but two of his coaches, Zsolt Low and Benjamin Webber, who have been placed on gardening leave, can remain because they are still technically under contract"
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I know I’d find some benefit if I waited long enough!
 
No one being held to account.
We will control our borders.
We will build new hospitals.
We improve the Nhs.
We will spend the 700 million we give the EU every month on our infrastructure.
Of the above none has been delivered.

This country is fucked.
 
bluethrunthru said:
At what point is this investigated as lying to the House?

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Who would have thought that a government that was desperate to make it look like they hadn't made a catastrophic cock up might have signed any deal, no matter how shit for the country. Which of course brings you to the fundamental problem of Brexit. The idea that economic and trade agreements with other countries are something that can be voted into existence.
 
BobKowalski said:
Agreed. We urgently need a sensible discussion on where we are, the damage that is being done and where we go from here. Remain/Leave is moot, so we need to think past that and start dealing with the reality of our situation.

The Govt is done, it’s an empty shell, so I don‘t expect much from then, save some belated acceptance of our situation, but the media, industry can at least get the conversation going. I also think current Govt proposals that worsen our position will get quietly dropped or pushed back. I don’t sense much energy for the fight from the 3.0 version of this Govt.
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Would agree with that. However, any discussion should involve detailed discussions of both futures, including the specific financial effects. Both mainstream parties have refused to deal with this issue, and It is no longer enough to think that having the sovereignty to deal with the problem is sufficient when the problem is greater than can be fixed by the tools in the UK’s box.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Not sure what we can do about it though. People thought it would be like leaving a golf club and cancelling their DD, so presumably they also think rejoining will be akin to telling the bank to reinstate the DD. Hopelessly naive.

Leaving was complicated and fraught with challenges; rejoining will be even more so.

How anyone could think this would be straightforward is completely beyond me. It’s like the most complex divorce imaginable

We’ve opened Pandora’s box and need to deal with the consequences, which will be severe.

We’ve completely brought this upon ourselves.
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All true but also all the more reason to rethink the relationship with the European Union. We’ve already seen a willingness among the Conservatives to work more closely with the French authorities, on immigration, so perhaps that is the beginning of the U.K. having an adult relationship with the European Union.

The British public also needs to be told what complications and challenges rejoining would entail so that it can weigh ’reality’ against ‘fancy’. The public has been gorging on a diet of ‘could’ and ‘cakeism’ for nearly a decade, and it’s about to be handed a cold plate of ’consequences’ this Thursday. Maybe it’s time to see the tariffs on the menu so that a meaningful debate can be had.
 
Gabriel said:
Would agree with that. However, any discussion should involve detailed discussions of both futures, including the specific financial effects. Both mainstream parties have refused to deal with this issue, and It is no longer enough to think that having the sovereignty to deal with the problem is sufficient when the problem is greater than can be fixed by the tools in the UK’s box.
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It certainly won't be fixed by the tools in the Conservative party
 
some was asking the other day about the KITE mark and I explained that we were introducing the UKCA so yes we were doing one of our own - thus doubling the costs to business to test things sold here and abroad. Well guess what - that Brexit Benefit was put off (again) for another two years yesterday.........

 
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