How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

At what point is this investigated as lying to the House?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

At what point is this investigated as lying to the House?

Who would have thought that a government that was desperate to make it look like they hadn't made a catastrophic cock up might have signed any deal, no matter how shit for the country. Which of course brings you to the fundamental problem of Brexit. The idea that economic and trade agreements with other countries are something that can be voted into existence.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Gabriel]

Agreed. We urgently need a sensible discussion on where we are, the damage that is being done and where we go from here. Remain/Leave is moot, so we need to think past that and start dealing with the reality of our situation.

The Govt is done, it’s an empty shell, so I don‘t expect much from then, save some belated acceptance of our situation, but the media, industry can at least get the conversation going. I also think current Govt proposals that worsen our position will get quietly dropped or pushed back. I don’t sense much energy for the fight from the 3.0 version of this Govt.

Would agree with that. However, any discussion should involve detailed discussions of both futures, including the specific financial effects. Both mainstream parties have refused to deal with this issue, and It is no longer enough to think that having the sovereignty to deal with the problem is sufficient when the problem is greater than can be fixed by the tools in the UK’s box.

 

[Gabriel]

Not sure what we can do about it though. People thought it would be like leaving a golf club and cancelling their DD, so presumably they also think rejoining will be akin to telling the bank to reinstate the DD. Hopelessly naive.

Leaving was complicated and fraught with challenges; rejoining will be even more so.

How anyone could think this would be straightforward is completely beyond me. It’s like the most complex divorce imaginable

We’ve opened Pandora’s box and need to deal with the consequences, which will be severe.

We’ve completely brought this upon ourselves.

All true but also all the more reason to rethink the relationship with the European Union. We’ve already seen a willingness among the Conservatives to work more closely with the French authorities, on immigration, so perhaps that is the beginning of the U.K. having an adult relationship with the European Union.

The British public also needs to be told what complications and challenges rejoining would entail so that it can weigh ’reality’ against ‘fancy’. The public has been gorging on a diet of ‘could’ and ‘cakeism’ for nearly a decade, and it’s about to be handed a cold plate of ’consequences’ this Thursday. Maybe it’s time to see the tariffs on the menu so that a meaningful debate can be had.

 

[Vic]

Would agree with that. However, any discussion should involve detailed discussions of both futures, including the specific financial effects. Both mainstream parties have refused to deal with this issue, and It is no longer enough to think that having the sovereignty to deal with the problem is sufficient when the problem is greater than can be fixed by the tools in the UK’s box.

It certainly won't be fixed by the tools in the Conservative party

 

[BrianW]

Too many people in this country do not understand the simple truth that you can vote a turd to be a rose, but a turd it remains. If the majority believed that I was immortal, it would not make me so. Some realities are simply not changeable merely by having a vote on them.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Warning to Danes to be careful about importing electrical goods from the UK. after de-regulation.
Couldn’t really be more embarrassing

 

[bluethrunthru]

Warning to Danes to be careful about importing electrical goods from the UK. after de-regulation.
Couldn’t really be more embarrassing
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Someone was listening to @MrJamesOb lol

 

[bluethrunthru]

some was asking the other day about the KITE mark and I explained that we were introducing the UKCA so yes we were doing one of our own - thus doubling the costs to business to test things sold here and abroad. Well guess what - that Brexit Benefit was put off (again) for another two years yesterday.........