How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

We'd do well to be more wary of greater entanglement with the Anglosphere if that means being a woman to the American agenda rather than be in a largely democratic relationship with our European neighbours even if they do happen to be French or German.
The Americans have flat out rejected any such deal with the UK. One of the great ironies is that the lingua franca, both in European politics and European business is English, something that will only intensify and improve in the coming decades.
 
What is clear is that we need some form of trading arrangement with the EU that gives us free(r) access to the EU market. Whatever we negotiate though won't be as good a deal as that which we threw away in our moment of national hubris.
That is more than likely true, yet what is renegotiated has to be better than the current situation.
 
My apologies. I interpreted it as you saying that something is not on offer, and I’m asking who is doing the offering?

I think that many people would now agree that a renegotiated deal along the lines of the Swiss arrangement would be acceptable to a majority of the UK electorate. If the EU were officially asked for such negotiations, then I think it would agree. Ergo, if that, or something approaching that, is not on ‘offer’, then I can only presume that is because the UK politicians don’t want it and won’t hold it out as an offer to their voters.

That might ease the economic consequences of Brexit but it negates the very reasons we left. We would be tied to the regulatory framework of the EU and its model of capitalism but powerless to change it.

Europhiles want to rejoin, Europhobes don't, a Swiss solution satisfies neither of them.

It's a non-starter.
 
That might ease the economic consequences of Brexit but it negates the very reasons we left. We would be tied to the regulatory framework of the EU and its model of capitalism but powerless to change it.

Europhiles want to rejoin, Europhobes don't, a Swiss solution satisfies neither of them.

It's a non-starter.
It negates some of the reasons why the UK left, not all, and Europhobes now have to explain how they are going to make up the lost GDP their decisions have cost.

The EU will only expand and consolidate (don’t hear many predicting its imminent disintegration these days), so the UK will soon have an economic entity of around 500 million people (Ukraine plus others) sitting right on its doorstep. It’s powerless to influence it from the outside and weakening itself on the outside, too. Hard to make the best of that either way.
 
It negates some of the reasons why the UK left, not all, and Europhobes now have to explain how they are going to make up the lost GDP their decisions have cost.

The EU will only expand and consolidate (don’t hear many predicting its imminent disintegration these days), so the UK will soon have an economic entity of around 500 million people (Ukraine plus others) sitting right on its doorstep. It’s powerless to influence it from the outside and weakening itself on the outside, too. Hard to make the best of that either way.

For the UK that's the objective reality, but sadly it's not the political reality.

To get where you and I both want to go there needs be a political pathway, but no such pathway exists, let alone a faltering first step.

It'll need a new generation I'm afraid.
 
That might ease the economic consequences of Brexit but it negates the very reasons we left. We would be tied to the regulatory framework of the EU and its model of capitalism but powerless to change it.

Europhiles want to rejoin, Europhobes don't, a Swiss solution satisfies neither of them.

It's a non-starter.
That’s overly simplistic. I’m a Europhile, and I want to rejoin, but recognise that we won’t for the foreseeable. In the meantime we’ve got to do all we can to mitigate this insanity. Being tied to the regulatory framework and being powerless to change it is the price we will need to pay for our arrogance and stupidity.
 
That’s overly simplistic. I’m a Europhile, and I want to rejoin, but recognise that we won’t for the foreseeable. In the meantime we’ve got to do all we can to mitigate this insanity. Being tied to the regulatory framework and being powerless to change it is the price we will need to pay for our arrogance and stupidity.
‘Arrogance’ sums it up beautifully. Believing that the U.K. is somehow more important than it is on the world stage is why the country is where it is right now. A fucking shambles.
 
‘Arrogance’ sums it up beautifully. Believing that the U.K. is somehow more important than it is on the world stage is why the country is where it is right now. A fucking shambles.
The mental thing is that our membership of the EEC/EU pretty much coincided with a period where our post-WW2 decline as a nation was arrested and reversed. Now that decline has resumed. Funny that.

And the generation who benefited the most from that forty odd years membership are the ones (more than any other) who have fucked the job up for our children.

Selfish cunts.
 
It takes guts to admit you were wrong and this goes for nations as well as individuals.

The Germans admitted they were wrong circa 1948 and have since gone from strength to strength. (There are still a small minority of Germans who think Adolf was wonderful, but they are a tiny minority.)

The first step for us is to acknowledge that Brexit was an error. Folly. That does not reverse it, and indeed it cannot be reversed as such. We shall never again enjoy the huge privileges we had as the EU member state with the best deal of all.

But from that starting point, we need to build our way back. The hard truth is there is no realistic alternative.
 

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