How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

For the UK that's the objective reality, but sadly it's not the political reality.

To get where you and I both want to go there needs be a political pathway, but no such pathway exists, let alone a faltering first step.

It'll need a new generation I'm afraid.
The political reality can quickly shift, as the events of the last six years can testify, and I suspect that Westminster politicians will come under increasing pressure to shift in the next six months. To pass responsibility for any change to the next generation would be grossly irresponsible. We have already burdened them with the debt for our largesse so it would be unfair to saddle them with finding the solution, too.
 
It takes guts to admit you were wrong and this goes for nations as well as individuals.

The Germans admitted they were wrong circa 1948 and have since gone from strength to strength. (There are still a small minority of Germans who think Adolf was wonderful, but they are a tiny minority.)

The first step for us is to acknowledge that Brexit was an error. Folly. That does not reverse it, and indeed it cannot be reversed as such. We shall never again enjoy the huge privileges we had as the EU member state with the best deal of all.

But from that starting point, we need to build our way back. The hard truth is there is no realistic alternative.
Everything you say there is correct. Unfortunately you have a government who not only doesn’t believe it’s wrong or made a mistake (ever) it’s doubling down and refusing to accept brexit has been anything other than a success.
 
Everything you say there is correct. Unfortunately you have a government who not only doesn’t believe it’s wrong or made a mistake (ever) it’s doubling down and refusing to accept brexit has been anything other than a success.

Yes, but delusion can only carry you so far in the face of reality.

Adolf didn't think the war was lost until the Russians were practically knocking on his door, despite all the warnings that people like Speer and most of the generals kept giving him. Some people believe in dogma and supernatural BS such as destiny. But ultimately, reality triumphs.

To draw a parallel, at the moment our 'Russians' are well into East Prussia. All that is keeping the fantasy going is the ERG dullards and the sort of nutters who write for and to the Daily Mail screaming about 'betrayal'. They are still a political factor and a significant element of Tory support. But if you go onto Conservative Home you will find that even many Tories now recognise that Brexit was a disaster for the country. I strongly suspect many did from Day 1 but kept quiet as long as they were still reaping a political advantage.
 
‘Arrogance’ sums it up beautifully. Believing that the U.K. is somehow more important than it is on the world stage is why the country is where it is right now. A fucking shambles.
The “You just don’t love our country enough” argument seems to have made itself scarce recently.

Perhaps not having enough belief in our country wasn’t ever a factor in what trade deals we could get.
 
That’s overly simplistic. I’m a Europhile, and I want to rejoin, but recognise that we won’t for the foreseeable. In the meantime we’ve got to do all we can to mitigate this insanity. Being tied to the regulatory framework and being powerless to change it is the price we will need to pay for our arrogance and stupidity.

I'm a Europhile and I wouldn't vote for it. This half way house would infuriate the Eurphobes and split the Europhiles, it would be a tough sell. If Brexit is a disaster it would need to be sold as a disaster in order to flog the Swiss model and that would require a real national mea culpa, but the very process of selling Brexit as a disaster wouldn't lead you to flog the in but not really Swiss model, it would force you to flog rejoin.

Why?

Because to be successful it would require you to sell the benefits of the EU not just the shit of Brexit and if you were successful in doing that, then the place you'd arrive at would be rejoin and not the Swiss model.

It's all academic anyways as this generation won't buy it,

The next generation might perform a mea culpa, and if it were to do so the answer would be rejoin not the Swiss model.
 
I think it might be more that they don't want to think about alternatives - despite the chaos we are experiencing.

Pretty sure the ERG have issued strict threats to their pet lemmings.
So whats’s Labours excuse for not facing the reality of what’s needed. They can’t blame the ERG.
 

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