How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Vic]

If one particular conurbation best encapsulated the utter stupidity of the Leave vote, it was Sunderland.

Don't forget Nissan have had a billion pounds of state aid to reward them for their stupidity.

 

[Vic]

If only the remain campaign had called them all stupid in the lead up to the vote they may have won them over and the vote could've gone the other way......

If Nissan had said it, it might. But quite possibly there wasn't enough people saying it would be stupid to leave. Maybe if people had heard 50 economists explaining the stupidity every night and one (the same one every night) saying it was a good idea, that would have made a difference, but we got one economist representing common sense and one representing stupidity. Then we got a stupid version of Brexit from the Tories.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

I've never heard a Brit when talking about fuel consumption of their vehicle mention it in kilometres per litre. Or litres per 100 kilometres, It's always miles per gallon :-)

And yet "going metric" was around 50 years ago.

And yet to be able to do that you have to convert your litres to gallons. Crazy.

 

[Vic]

Tbf leavers were characterized as stupid and racist for months before the vote, so it's not like they didn't have fair warning from the enlightened.

Were they?

 

[west didsblue]

Were they?

Were they fuck.
The Bluemoon Brexit thread was not a microcosm of people’s everyday conversations.

 

[Vic]

I suppose if you call people thick idiotic racists they're not going to say "blimey I think you're right"

Maybe remainers should've been kinder, using a more psychological approach.
"Look I know you want to leave and you're an intelligent chap, but think of it like this..."

Come-on remainers, you didn't use your noggins. :)

Any politician knows how to challenge stupidity without calling people stupid. You've actually quoted what most Remainers said.

I was stupid for not realising how stupid people could be.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I remember how, on here, on a previous iteration of this thread, in the aftermath of the vote, certain posters who were strident Leavers revealed their own, personal insecurities around the notion that Leavers were universally thick, which no-one had suggested and would be a preposterous thing to believe or say. These neuroses became quite a developing theme at one point.

Some of the most intelligent people I know (and I know quite a few) voted Leave. Seriously smart people some of them. One or two of them might even be smarter than me…

It’s was a stupid thing for them to do. And I would be happy to remind them of that to their faces if the need arose.

Especially the seriously smart ones.

There is no particular glory in being right on such a fundamental issue, as we are all poorer as a result, and our standing as a nation is palpably diminished. Only a ‘loser’ takes more pleasure out of being right about such a thing than the unhappiness they feel about the outcome. Only a ‘loser’ cannot accept we all make mistakes.

There is also no shame in being wrong. I stridently predicted 20 or so years ago that no-one would ever want to use the internet on their phone. We all get things wrong. That doesn’t make us stupid, just a person who’s done or said something stupid.

There is a clear difference and only someone with crippling insecurities about their own intelligence could fail to appreciate this.

 

[bugsyblue]

I remember how, on here, on a previous iteration of this thread, in the aftermath of the vote, certain posters who were strident Leavers revealed their own, personal insecurities around the notion that Leavers were universally thick, which no-one had suggested and would be a preposterous thing to believe or say. These neuroses became quite a developing theme at one point.

Some of the most intelligent people I know (and I know quite a few) voted Leave. Seriously smart people some of them. One or two of them might even be smarter than me…

It’s was a stupid thing for them to do. And I would be happy to remind them of that to their faces if the need arose.

Especially the seriously smart ones.

There is no particular glory in being right on such a fundamental issue, as we are all poorer as a result, and our standing as a nation is palpably diminished. Only a ‘loser’ takes more pleasure out of being right about such a thing than the unhappiness they feel about the outcome. Only a ‘loser’ cannot accept we all make mistakes.

There is also no shame in being wrong. I stridently predicted 20 or so years ago that no-one would ever want to use the internet on their phone. We all get things wrong. That doesn’t make us stupid, just a person who’s done or said something stupid.

There is a clear difference and only someone with crippling insecurities about their own intelligence could fail to appreciate this.

All very true. But isn’t it frustrating - and it seems a modern cultural phenomenon - that people seem to stick to their decision, blindly refusing to accept responsibility or remotely consider how they could right their wrong, regardless of facts or (in this case) damage to the country. The majority of leavers I know (albeit I don’t know too many) who do acknowledge the bad decision they made still refuse to budge on said decision. They hide behind “well that’s democracy”.

Why aren’t we having discussions about reversing Brexit? Why isn’t there one major political party coming out with the facts to show how damaging Brexit has been for the country and open discourse on rejoining?

We are unbelievably stubborn (as well as stupid) it would seem.

 

[blueparrot]

All very true. But isn’t it frustrating - and it seems a modern cultural phenomenon - that people seem to stick to their decision, blindly refusing to accept responsibility or remotely consider how they could right their wrong, regardless of facts or (in this case) damage to the country. The majority of leavers I know (albeit I don’t know too many) who do acknowledge the bad decision they made still refuse to budge on said decision. They hide behind “well that’s democracy”.

Why aren’t we having discussions about reversing Brexit? Why isn’t there one major political party coming out with the facts to show how damaging Brexit has been for the country and open discourse on rejoining?

We are unbelievably stubborn (as well as stupid) it would seem.

In Wales, N. Ireland , Scotland there are parities having that debate and pushing that argument, the question is more why is England so different in it’s approach to Brexit and it’s issues to the rest of the U.K ?
I honestly don’t know because I’m sure it didn’t used to be so different yet the politics in England seem to be diverging from the rest of the UK in many areas not only Brexit.

 

[bugsyblue]

In Wales, N. Ireland , Scotland there are parities having that debate and pushing that argument, the question is more why is England so different in it’s approach to Brexit and it’s issues to the rest of the U.K ?
I honestly don’t know because I’m sure it didn’t used to be so different yet the politics in England seem to be diverging from the rest of the UK in many areas not only Brexit.

North Ireland and Scotland I guess are for obvious reasons that Brexit is tied into their respective border and independence conversations.

But yes it’s bizarre in England no political party wants to acknowledge the car crash that it is and discuss options on reversing the decision.