Mr Kobayashi
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We could just ban idiots from voting as they did in the Victorian era.
I thought you wanted to rejoin? Or have you had another damascene conversion?
How do we resolve the Brexit mess?
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We could just ban idiots from voting as they did in the Victorian era.
I thought you wanted to rejoin? Or have you had another damascene conversion?
jimharri
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Ah; the SNP tactic. Keep having referendums until you achieve the desired result.
;-)
Blue and true
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Have we had any tangible benefit to this yet? I'm not stoking fires, maybe there are and somebody could enlighten me?
Worked for Ireland. Not many regrets there.
jimharri
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gordondaviesmoustache
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bluethrunthru
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because pricks believed they were patriots by falling for the lies of snake oil salesmen then all of them - even the salesmen - are so embarrassed they can't admit they were wrong.
I didn't say that. I said Ireland did what some didn't like, viz. "Keep having referendums until you achieve the desired result."
Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty
Irish voters have rejected the Lisbon Treaty by 110,000 votes - a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%.
Ireland votes Yes to Lisbon Treaty
The Lisbon Treaty has been passed by a two-to-one majority - a 20% swing towards the Yes side since the first Lisbon referendum.
jimharri
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Fair enough. But, from memory, that wasn't about leaving the EU.Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty
Irish voters have rejected the Lisbon Treaty by 110,000 votes - a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%.www.rte.ie
Ireland votes Yes to Lisbon Treaty
The Lisbon Treaty has been passed by a two-to-one majority - a 20% swing towards the Yes side since the first Lisbon referendum.
Mr Ed (The Stables)
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The Referendum about "The Common Market" should have happened when a trading block became a politcal union with the "Maastricht Treaty" in 1992.
To be fair there should have been a referendum about joining the "Common Market" in the first place. And before everyone shouts "there was one" well there wasn't.
What we got was a referendum to leave the "Common Market" in 1975, and a lot of folk including my mam and dad voted not to leave as we were already in.
Ted Heath knew before we even joined it would end up as a "political union" boy I hated that guy.
Anyway a long time ago and really of know relevance today we are where we are, and it is what it is.
To be fair there should have been a referendum about joining the "Common Market" in the first place. And before everyone shouts "there was one" well there wasn't.
What we got was a referendum to leave the "Common Market" in 1975, and a lot of folk including my mam and dad voted not to leave as we were already in.
Ted Heath knew before we even joined it would end up as a "political union" boy I hated that guy.
Anyway a long time ago and really of know relevance today we are where we are, and it is what it is.
bluethrunthru
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we cannot rule by referendum - if you consider GE's, Local Elections, PCC Elections, by-elections and were we still in there EU elections we would be on permanent campaign mode and fuck all would get done. We elect people to make decisions for us hence Major did Maastricht
If you're a very wealthy person, then, yes, there has been a benefit, namely the avoidance of new banking rules that would have made tax avoidance from offshore bank accounts much more difficult had we remained in the EU.
A very useful benefit for Jacob Rees-Mogg who made £6m or so shorting the pound on the result, but nowhere near the profit of other leave backers, some of whom literally made hundreds of millions.
Russia pumped millions during the last couple of weeks before the referendum into adverts on social media promoting leave, so Putin is happy with the return on that investment, which swung the expected result for the first time from remain to leave following that blitz on social media.
Other than that, there are no benefits whatsoever. Every measure of our economic performance since we left the EU is negative, and it's not going to improve in the future.
Brexit is a long term process, and didn't happen in full on the 1st of January 2021. Just last Friday, exporters from the UK have new paperwork to fill out, increasing their costs and making them even more uncompetitive, and new import controls next year are going to add £2B onto our food imports.
It's all a bit different from the claims leavers, like Rees-Mogg, made, that food prices, or the cost of shoes, would come down, and any claim from the remain campaign stating that wasn't true was dismissed as project fear.
It was all bollocks, to the detriment of the average person, but the wealthy got what they wanted.
metalblue
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CPTPP membership now in force along with fostering better relationships with EU.
www.politico.eu
Britain’s bold new world … as a Pacific trading nation
With global free-traders on the back foot amid Donald Trump’s return, the U.K. is placing its bets on the tongue-twisting CPTPP.
www.politico.eu
hilts
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You don't want a vote?
hilts
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Yes and the people elected decided on a referendum so you got your nirvana, the politicians know better, they are adults. The result is we left the EU. Luckily for you you can manage on 3 magic beans a month or was it 2 Hans?
Mr Kobayashi
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A bit slow for a quip.
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hilts
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I only look in here every few weeks or months to see if any new argument has arisen or if the remainers have awakened themselves from the continued hypocrisy.
Still groundhog day in here:-)
Try years.