How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[PragueBlue]

Cameron is to blame for this whole shambles.
I wonder how he feels about his legacy.....

I think blame lies at more doors than just Cameron's. It was the only way to get rid of UKIP/Brexit Party from the scene and keep the Tories in power, so I do understand why he went for the referendum. At least he actively supported remaining, which is more than can be said for the Labour leader. If Corbyn had been more active in the remain campaign, then perhaps the leave vote wouldn't have won, though I again understand why Corbyn did what he did. I'd say blame also lies with the leave campaign and their promises/lies/untruths.

Ultimately though the blame lies with the electorate. It was their choice to make.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I expect he’ll regret it deeply until his final breath.

I don't think bullingdon club membership instills a strong sense of culpability. I suspect he generally feels personally hard done by because he wasn't able to repeat the neat trick he pulled with electoral reform of using a national referendum to diffuse the issue and maintain the status quo.
His pathetic and slightly petulant flounce after the referendum went wrong told me all I needed to know about his character and motivations.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You never see or hear of him these days.

I think it’s broken him. It’s completely ruined his legacy which was heading to be pretty decent, if not spectacular. Our standing as a nation, in early 2016, was so much higher than it is today.

He’s completely fucking blown it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don't think bullingdon club membership instills a strong sense of culpability. I suspect he generally feels personally hard done by because he wasn't able to repeat the neat trick he pulled with electoral reform of using a national referendum to diffuse the issue and maintain the status quo.
His pathetic and slightly petulant flounce after the referendum went wrong told me all I needed to know about his character and motivations.

I’m not sure I‘d interpret it as a flounce. He realised he’d monumentally fucked up and that his position was completely untenable.

 

[ganganvince]

I think blame lies at more doors than just Cameron's. It was the only way to get rid of UKIP/Brexit Party from the scene and keep the Tories in power, so I do understand why he went for the referendum. At least he actively supported remaining, which is more than can be said for the Labour leader. If Corbyn had been more active in the remain campaign, then perhaps the leave vote wouldn't have won, though I again understand why Corbyn did what he did. I'd say blame also lies with the leave campaign and their promises/lies/untruths.

Ultimately though the blame lies with the electorate. It was their choice to make.

Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.

 

[blueinsa]

It’s only resolved when there is the political will to resolve it and sadly it’s looking likely it will never be there for reason only the Labour Party can explain?

Just make it a manifesto promise that at a minimum, we would rejoin the single market and make it happen.

 

[PragueBlue]

It’s only resolved when there is the political will to resolve it and sadly it’s looking likely it will never be there for reason only the Labour Party can explain?

Just make it a manifesto promise that at a minimum, we would rejoin the single market and make it happen.

I think they have come out and said they wouldn't rejoin the EU or single market. I think they fear they would lose too many traditional labour votes otherwise. That's why I am hoping for a coalition with the Libs as that may give them the excuse to change their policy (after the election) and look into at least joining the single market.

 

[Vic]

Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.

I'm baffled. Who stressed it was just advisory (before the referendum)?

 

[BlueHammer85]

If Cameron never gave that vote then we would have had 7 years of an ever growing increasingly angry right wing UKIP blaming every economic woe on the EU.
Easy to say in hindsight that it’s easy to ignore the outrcying but no chance it could have sustained for much longer, something had to give.

 

[WRicko]

Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.

Who stressed it was advisory ? It’s always been seen as mandatory unfortunately even though it was not