How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[WRicko]

That’s not answering the question. Making a fortune isn’t the same as increasing your wealth by a factor of 1,000. I don’t doubt some people have benefitted enormously, my enquiry was about millionaires who are now billionaires.

Who are they and how did they do it?

Didn’t think we was being that specific

 

[meltonblue]

I think it’s broken him. It’s completely ruined his legacy which was heading to be pretty decent, if not spectacular. Our standing as a nation, in early 2016, was so much higher than it is today.

He’s completely fucking blown it.

I do sometimes think about what the last few years would have been like had the brexit vote gone the other way. It’s not just about the damage it’s directly doing, it’s how much time was devoted to it in the subsequent years with everyone completely taking their eye off a shedload of domestic policy issues.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I'm baffled. Who stressed it was just advisory (before the referendum)?

Who stressed it was advisory ? It’s always been seen as mandatory unfortunately even though it was no

This is from Full Fact

Was the EU referendum “advisory”? - Full Fact

A referendum can be legally non-binding but, arguably, politically binding.

fullfact.org

The European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.

In other countries, referendums are often legally binding—for example, because the vote is on whether to amend the constitution. The UK, famously, doesn’t have a codified constitution.

A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so. In practical terms this would mean someone would be able to go to court to make the government implement the result. The Alternative Vote referendum in 2011, for example, was legally binding in this way.


So the European Referendum Act 2015 was drafted in such a way as to make the result of the referendum ''non binding'' and as the result was close and the number of non voters approx a third of the voting population the ''politicians'' could've refused to implement.


A more sensible approach would've been to put a minimum vote requirement of say 60% of the population (the same way the unions are treated) or a requirement that all countries in the UK union would have to vote leave (but that would be possibly more divisive.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This is from Full Fact

Was the EU referendum “advisory”? - Full Fact

A referendum can be legally non-binding but, arguably, politically binding.

fullfact.org

The European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.

In other countries, referendums are often legally binding—for example, because the vote is on whether to amend the constitution. The UK, famously, doesn’t have a codified constitution.

A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so. In practical terms this would mean someone would be able to go to court to make the government implement the result. The Alternative Vote referendum in 2011, for example, was legally binding in this way.


So the European Referendum Act 2015 was drafted in such a way as to make the result of the referendum ''non binding'' and as the result was close and the number of non voters approx a third of the voting population the ''politicians'' could've refused to implement.


A more sensible approach would've been to put a minimum vote requirement of say 60% of the population (the same way the unions are treated) or a requirement that all countries in the UK union would have to vote leave (but that would be possibly more divisive.

I think the more sensible (and honest) approach would've been for Cameron to decide (as leader) what Tory party policy was on EU membership, face the electorate on that basis and govern accordingly. No referendum needed.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Nah. He doesn't give a toss.

For all these public schoolboys, it's just a game, an extension of the school debating society.

Who gets to be head boy, who's the most popular.

They're totally insulated from the consequences of their actions.

Same goes for Johnson, Clegg, Rees-Mogg etc.

I think you are confusing regret with contrition.

Of course he fucking regrets it. It cost him the job he’d craved his entire adult life, destroyed his legacy and irreversibly reduced his standing.

Why wouldn’t he regret it?

 

[Gremlin]

I think you are confusing regret with contrition.

Of course he fucking regrets it. It cost him the job he’d craved his entire adult life, destroyed his legacy and irreversibly reduced his standing.

Why wouldn’t he regret it?

In the same way that I doubt Boris is contrite about his actions but definitely regrets getting caught.

 

[meltonblue]

I think you are confusing regret with contrition.

Of course he fucking regrets it. It cost him the job he’d craved his entire adult life, destroyed his legacy and irreversibly reduced his standing.

Why wouldn’t he regret it?

Absolutely. He’s publicly said, and written in his autobiography, that it’s his greatest regret and he’ll keep thinking about it until the day he dies.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In the same way that I doubt Boris is contrite about his actions but definitely regrets getting caught.

Yes, like that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Didn’t think we was being that specific

You mean that part where he said ‘it’s made millionaires into billionaires’?

 

[Gremlin]

Absolutely. He’s publicly said, and written in his autobiography, that it’s his greatest regret and he’ll keep thinking about it until the day he dies.

He bet the farm on the Scottish Independence referendum and won. Buoyed by that he bet it again on the EU referendum, expecting to win and shut the Tory right wing up for the next few years at least. But this time he lost and we're all paying for it.