How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[aguero93:20]

Hang on, I though they need us more than we need them…

We're definitely worse off without the UK in terms of global influence, overall wealth and diversity of opinion. But not everybody sees it as an overall loss (especially the underlined part) and very few see a reversal as worth it. Especially when there's a lack of trust in the UK's commitment to any position it takes.

 

[inbetween]

EFTA is off the table. The EU have stated it's not an option.

It's full membership or nothing.

The EU have offered us options to ease trade like the Pan Mediterranean Convention, but the government turned it down.

Our days of negotiating opt outs are gone. If we rejoin, it will be on their terms.

This is just plainly untrue, the EU is not EFTA and EFTA is not the EU. EFTA is however a bloc that has a very close relationship with the EU. Joining EFTA would require negotiation and it would become a decision for the EFTA members and not the EU. However, there would probably have to be a subsequent renegotiation of the EU-EFTA relationship.

I'm not saying that EFTA is the answer because even EFTA brings many questions of its own but it's just one potential solution amongst many. If we joined Schengen as part of it then it would instantly resolve some parts of the Irish question too.

The whole thing needs a sensible discussion and an acceptance of the reality which is that we're out and that's unfortunately where we are. The alternative is to follow those on here who are moaning about the country burning down but are also still arguing about whether we should have left or not, it's ultimately pointless and boring.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

the Irish question

Let it go, that ended over 100 years ago.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This is just plainly untrue, the EU is not EFTA and EFTA is not the EU. EFTA is however a bloc that has a very close relationship with the EU. Joining EFTA would require negotiation and it would become a decision for the EFTA members and not the EU. However, there would probably have to be a subsequent renegotiation of the EU-EFTA relationship.

I'm not saying that EFTA is the answer because even EFTA brings many questions of its own but it's just one potential solution amongst many. If we joined Schengen as part of it then it would instantly resolve some parts of the Irish question too.

The whole thing needs a sensible discussion and an acceptance of the reality which is that we're out and that's unfortunately where we are. The alternative is to follow those on here who are moaning about the country burning down but are also still arguing about whether we should have left or not, it's ultimately pointless and boring.

Yes it's much better to imagine alternative historical events that will never happen.

EFTA don't want us, we previously left it to join the EU. You've just pointed out why it isn't possible.

Are you Richard Rice or Nigel Farage?

 

[Vic]

It strikes me as odd though that different EU countries apply the right to stay differently. For instance It is much easier to stay in Italy and eventually earn the right to remain than it is in France.

What's odd? They're all sovereign countries....

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is just plainly untrue, the EU is not EFTA and EFTA is not the EU. EFTA is however a bloc that has a very close relationship with the EU. Joining EFTA would require negotiation and it would become a decision for the EFTA members and not the EU. However, there would probably have to be a subsequent renegotiation of the EU-EFTA relationship.

I'm not saying that EFTA is the answer because even EFTA brings many questions of its own but it's just one potential solution amongst many. If we joined Schengen as part of it then it would instantly resolve some parts of the Irish question too.

The whole thing needs a sensible discussion and an acceptance of the reality which is that we're out and that's unfortunately where we are. The alternative is to follow those on here who are moaning about the country burning down but are also still arguing about whether we should have left or not, it's ultimately pointless and boring.

The only issue is the EFTA countries don't want us to join as the size of our economy dwarfs any one of theirs and for some reason they think we may act like exceptionalist bullies and use that weight to start changing things to suit ourselves when they are quite happy with the status quo.
Maybe once Brexit has run its course and decimated our economy we may be small enough for them to consider allowing joining.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

they say in the interview in the article that they were told and believed nothing would change after Brexit - ie THEY would retain FoM just that nobody else would. As is said elsewhere they did not do due diligence

It’s actually insane that anyone would actually think that.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Not bad for Dublin. €5.20 generally in killarney, cheaper the further south and west you go. A good few holding off on reaching €5, one place on the ring is €4.99 :).
Was in the hideaway before the semi final and I think it was €6 there(wasn't drinking myself but cousins were) they were quite happy with that so close to Croker.

€5.70 in Fagan's where Bertie drinks.
€5.25 for pensioners.
Just saying!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

The only issue is the EFTA countries don't want us to join as the size of our economy dwarfs any one of theirs and for some reason they think we may act like exceptionalist bullies and use that weight to start changing things to suit ourselves when they are quite happy with the status quo.
Maybe once Brexit has run its course and decimated our economy we may be small enough for them to consider allowing joining.

You can only hope.
Remain positive lad.

 

[aguero93:20]

€5.70 in Fagan's where Bertie drinks.
€5.25 for pensioners.
Just saying!

Probably still selling that Bass muck as well.