How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m good mates with an interiors bloke who imports over half his stuff from Italy, who’s been drip feeding me furniture over the course of this year. Big Notts County fan, married to an Italian. An absolute fucking gent.

When he started ordering me stuff in January he warned me it was a fuckimg nightmare getting stuff into the country. The form filling was insane. Was taking about twice as long for stuff to get here - and there was no effecive way of tracking it. You only know where it is when it turns up at his depot. And some Italian manufacturers aren’t bothering anymore.

He’s been absolutely spot on.

For me, it’s a first world problem. I live a very privileged life these days and people have far bigger problems than waiting for furniture. It’ll come when it comes.

But this is a microcosm of the way we have elected to make our lives more complicated. We have chosen to make it far harder to trade with our nearest neighbours.

What an unbelievably crazy and idiotic thing to do. Absolute fucking madness.
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Yes, that's pretty consistent experience wise with my brother in law (what do you call an exes brother when you were never married....).

He has enough problems. Covid did a royal one on them and a bunch of feisty variables making trade more difficult.
But this one was actively voted in.

Lovely guy. Always treated us like kings when we went over years ago with the kids. Made a commitment go go and see him again with the kids (sans ex of course).
Parmesan county in Northern Italy.....'mammia mia'...that food and drink.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Both Blair and then Brown made that promise and never delivered. They just created more Labour peers. In any event we don't need a second chamber at all. Plenty of countries across the world manage perfectly well with just one chamber.

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The Lords is, and always has been, just a home for poitical cronies who can't wean themselves off the gravy train. It is a scandal and I don't believe for one minute that Starmer will do anything to stop it. I would consider supporting him if he had the balls to pledge to reverse the Brexit disaster as a matter of urgency. But he lacks courage and conviction. The Labour party used to have people with conviction like John Smith and Robin Cook who actually said what they believed in.
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If he gets a majority there’s no way he’ll consider electoral reform. And the whole shitty, destructive cycle will continue ad nauseum.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
I voted to leave the EU so that we could engage more fully with the wider world.

Sovereignty in your definition seems to be about pulling up the drawbridge and not engaging with the rest of the world.

Sovereignty in my definition is about having the ability to set your own path. It's about engaging with the wider world, both culturally and economically. It's about breaking down trade barriers and embracing capitalism and globalisation.
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You are not Humpty Dumpty, words don’t mean whatever you choose them to mean.

Sovereignty, in its legal/constitutional sense, has a very clear and settled meaning. It relates to the concept of absolute legal authority within a jurisdiction. Within the UK, sovereignty has rested with Parliament certainly since the 17th century and arguably for centuries before.

The UK’s membership of the EU had no effect whatsoever on the question of where sovereignty lies in the UK. None. You are just another one who swallowed the bullshit and failed to look beyond the lies.

well done. You now get to own the shit show that the ignorance of people like you created.
 
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Chris in London said:
You are not Humpty Dumpty, words don’t mean whatever you choose them to mean.

Sovereignty, in its legal/constitutional sense, has a very clear and settled meaning. It relates to the concept of absolute legal authority within a jurisdiction. Within the UK, sovereignty has rested with Parliament certainly since the 17th century and arguably for centuries before.

The UK’s membership of the EU had no effect whatsoever on the question of where sovereignty lies in the UK. None. You are just another one who swallowed the bullshit and failed to look beyond the lies.

well done. You now get to own the shit show that the ignorance of people like you created.
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He won, get over it.
 
Vic said:
I look forward to the Mail and Express and Telegraph's reporting this.
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They will probably say it's a Marxist/Remainer conspiracy to stop these people from coming so as to stop Brexit 'working'.

PS there is more chance of Richard III coming back to life and taking the throne than of Brexit working.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Funny how when the going gets tough Mogg gets going - to the weather - happens all the time

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Mogg wants people working lots more hours for a lot less money with no rights to any leave.

In other words, he wants more of your money for him and his wealthy mates. It’s not you who built this country, it was them and their investment from the wealth that they’ve grown.
 
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