How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

somapop said:
I visited Buxton yesterday with my son & elder daughter and took in the Buxton Crescent guided tour (we all found it genuinely interesting and the restoration is absolutely superb).

There was a mention by the female guide that a University scheme linked to Buxton (with thousands of European students) had to be scrapped, sadly, in 2021.
I've been trying to find exactly what it was.

She said this matter of factly, just dropped it in with all the interesting facts about the town's history. But it felt like one of those many, many small things that adds up as 'shot ourselves in the foot' moment.
I know one or two from the wider area who voted to leave and just hope listening to stuff like that they realise what a monumental fuck up they've made for many here now.

I did wonder if the town received any EU funding. Feels like the Crescent refurb could lift that town quite considerably, breathing new life into it. But a fair bit of the area clearly has some run down moments.
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High Peak voted narrowly to leave. And they were told....

www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk

What has the European Union ever done for us?

There are only eight weeks left before the people of the East Midlands take what has been billed as the biggest political decision for a generation.
www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk
 
Vic said:
It's been well rehearsed as to why Starmer isn't advocating rejoining. Getting all the other EU countries to let us back just isn't likely. Saying "we'll make Brexit work" is a bit daft but I'm not sure what slogan would be realistic, or wise. "Brexit was a stupid idea, but we'll try and mitigate the problems" doesn't exactly trip off the tongue.
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He’s moved so far to the right, natural for a Tory I suppose, that means will anybody be able to tell the difference? He’s an M15 Sleeper. And a Tory ****. And a wanker.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
How about “We’ve fucking blown it”? It’s punchy and pithy.
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Even now, I'm still not convinced a decent portion of the population understand quite how big a hole we've dug for ourselves after so many years of misrule. "Wake up and smell the coffee/tsunami of shit we're drowning in" might be a necessary precursor to your slogan.

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I think what we actually need is someone capable of leading with a "Building a New Britain" type narrative. The reality is we've broke the old Britain, it wasn't perfect but it was pretty serviceable and then through complacency and exceptionalism and our poor choices of who we deemed fit to govern us we let it get into such disrepair that it broke. So we now need to go into a period of reinvention the first part of which will be extremely difficult and probably quite protracted but if we approach it as a renewal then we can have long term optimism we are doing the right thing for our children and their children. This renewal needs to be wholesale because it wasn't just Brexit, we broke loads of stuff. We need to start with the renewal of our creaking democratic processes and we need renewal of associated areas like what it really means to have a free press and transparency in our lives. Education has been neglected or left to idealogue idiots for too long and needs to form a key cornerstone of our reinvention. Our housing policies are a recipe for division and short sighted beyond belief. Our relationships as a Union are dysfunctional.

The list is endless and the reality is we are no longer the sound financial bet we once were so the terms on which we can do anything about any of these things are not what they once were. So every single step of the rebuild will be incredibly hard. The alternative however is to continue to bury our heads in the sand as to where we are and continue to head and acknowledge to our children and their children "sorry kids you had one of the sweetest gigs on the planet but your parents, your grandparents and their parents fucked it up for you and we don't have either the humility, will or resilience to start the process of fixing what we broke for you".

That's the stark choice we face.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s funny how posters keep coming on here giving specific examples (macro and micro) of the damage Brexit has caused, but no **** ever posts a single example of a benefit.
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After she mentioned this I asked her if she knew of any Brexit benefits personally.
Her face brightened up and she said 'Of course!".

My face clearly visualised surprise, so I asked what she thought they were?

"Well, they're great to carry with you on long journeys, work well dipped in a morning cup of tea and are essential as a base for a cheesecake".

My own face then altered as did hers and we both realised she'd misheard what I'd asked.

We both then erupted into fits of laugher much like the water did from the nearby spring finally seeing the daylight after 5000 years underground.
 
Vic said:
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Buxton Derbyshire UK - EU sign depicting funds given by the European Agricultural Fund to help with the building of the Grade 2 listed Pump House Stock Photo - Alamy

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High Peak voted narrowly to leave. And they were told....

www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk

What has the European Union ever done for us?

There are only eight weeks left before the people of the East Midlands take what has been billed as the biggest political decision for a generation.
www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk
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Sounds about right.

Can't quite find the direct link/bit of news around the University breaking ties with thousands of European students but does relate to agriculture and the pump room/spring etc so presume that's related (I'll have a proper read through).

Thanks Vic.
 
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