How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

A higher proportion of older people actually voted so that skewed the vote, but age is definitely a factor. I hardly know any young people who wanted to leave, but the older generation like my wife's parents remember things as being better when they were young - ie before EU membership - and never understood what Europe was about.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

It should always have been a two thirds majority vote. I think there's a big problem (and this goes for Scottish independence too) with a system that allows the entire future of a country to be permanently changed because at one point in history, 50% plus one person wanted it. I think for that sort of thing, you should have to show the sort of overwhelming support that would mean that it's not just the result of temporary circumstances in the economy, or something like that. Having said that, we do also operate a system where a government can get elected with 30% of the vote and then permanently sell of all of the country's assets unopposed, so maybe the 50% threshold isn't as bad as it could be.

Two thirds majority and in every member of the Union......

 

[jim tolmies perm]

You're angry, which is understandable, but you're not changing hearts and minds with that little routine. You may not like it, but the long road back starts with hearts and minds, on both sides.

The political establishment have dropped an enormous bollock, now we're in belt and braces country, starting from the bottom, the British need to fall in love with the European project. Right now the party that will form the next government won't even countenance starting that process and remainers like you clearly despise those who voted to leave, both things need to change if we're ever going to get back in.

Oh completely agree mate
My anger is only residual..
I accepted things are as they are way back and that with patience it will all unravel

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Initially just travelling to Holland and Germany.
My position on leaving the EU is still the same as it always has been, that we should have stayed in.
The protections and aid we got from being a member state was worth a lot more than we were paying for our membership.
Perhaps a new referendum could be held in the not too distant future, putting the emphasis on the fact that the impact it has had on our young people was and is unfair to them.
We needn't grovel, just state our case, say 'lessons have been learned' and hopefully that will suffice.
We need a strong leader in government to initiate that though, and at the moment there doesn't appear to be anyone prepared to grasp the nettle.

This won’t be the immediate, next or even the one after that, government who gets the ball rolling to rejoin. This will be two or three decades away.

In the meantime we need to get rid of this government (and everyone on the left moaning about Labour and Starmer really need to get with this whether they agree with the direction Labour has taken or not). We must get rid of the Conservatives for as long as possible!

Get ourselves sorted out as a nation and have a stronger position to go back to the EU with, with the EU more hungry for us to rejoin than even we are. With the Tories, this…will…not…happen! We will not be an attractive proposal with the Conservatives in power.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I don’t doubt they are smarter than you.

But you clearly have the edge on us all.

Start shouting at every OAP you meet, scream about how they're nowt but selfish racist fuckers and should die.

That'll fix it.

And I'm the patronising ****.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

A higher proportion of older people actually voted so that skewed the vote, but age is definitely a factor. I hardly know any young people who wanted to leave, but the older generation like my wife's parents remember things as being better when they were young - ie before EU membership - and never understood what Europe was about.

If I remember rightly, once you go even older than that (i.e. 75 and above) the proportion voting for Brexit comes down again though.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This won’t be the immediate, next or even the one after that, government who gets the ball rolling to rejoin. This will be two or three decades away.

In the meantime we need to get rid of this government (and everyone on the left moaning about Labour and Starmer really need to get with this whether they agree with the direction Labour has taken or not). We must get rid of the Conservatives for as long as possible!

Get ourselves sorted out as a nation and have a stronger position to go back to the EU with, with the EU more hungry for us to rejoin than even we are. With the Tories, this…will…not…happen! We will not be an attractive proposal with the Conservatives in power.

I can't see us ever becoming full members again, but what we might see is the sort of fudge that Norway or Switzerland have. And that wouldn't be a bad thing. Ultimately, it's the economic benefits of being in a single market that are the main thing.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I can't see us ever becoming full members again, but what we might see is the sort of fudge that Norway or Switzerland have. And that wouldn't be a bad thing. Ultimately, it's the economic benefits of being in a single market that are the main thing.

If we could just join the single market, that’s all I’d want. That mainly what the EU should ever have been. Maybe with shared and co-operative intelligence. But nowt else really.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

If we could just join the single market, that’s all I’d want. That mainly what the EU should ever have been. Maybe with shared and co-operative intelligence. But nowt else really.

Well yeah, but I suspect it's easier to give that sort of arrangement to a relatively small nation. When it comes to a big country like the UK, they might expect full membership or nothing. Hopefully not. But ultimately, you can't have huge trade restrictions with your biggest trading partner and expect to prosper economically, when every other country can trade without those restrictions.

 

[The perfect fumble]

If we could just join the single market, that’s all I’d want. That mainly what the EU should ever have been. Maybe with shared and co-operative intelligence. But nowt else really.

There's been talk of of two tier membership for years, there are core countries that seek an ever closer union but there are others that are only in it for the trade. Our departure and incidentally the war in Ukraine, has strengthened the closer union idea.

Those who were are a bit semi-detached look at the shit show here, the threat of Russia and the US Republicans fucking around and they're beginning to think that a tighter EU might not be such a bad idea after all.