How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

NorthamptonBlue said:
The windfall tax is nothing of the sort. Rishi had told the oil majors that they can get a 91% rebate if they spend money in the UK. It was a green light to drill more wells in the North Sea in addition to renewables. Shell got the go ahead last week for a project which has been delayed for some considerable time.
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A windfall tax also applies retrospectively to profits in previous years. As you say, this is nothing of the sort.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Oh dear you have fallen for it - Labour point out him lying in QT - "Nothing happening here move on " - Labour go on drinking and ignoring their own rules - " Just picking on the Tories "
Labour last year warn of upcoming inflation problems - "Johnson " nothing to worry about move on " - Labour we need a windfall tax to help with huge utility bills - " Its a really bad idea and typical of Labour who just want to raise taxes although we are imposing the highest tax burden ever and are raising taxes 17 times but we don't want to stifle investment "
Next day - " we are imposing a windfall tax because its the right thing to do. "

Labour do have policies - most get used by the Tories
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None so deaf/blind as those who refuse to hear/see. Some have benefitted from the deliberate attack on living standards, the other 99% contain the hard-core fail-readers who would never in public admit the whole brexit heist was enabled using racism and deliberate lies to sway the apolitical and disillusioned by fantastic impossible claims, "oven-ready, the bus, easiest deal in history, we wont destroy worker's right, 250 new hospitals" etc. All bought and paid for with russian money, bungs to murdoch and co. The brexit thread showed how successful their strategy was. Some of it plain attention-seeking, but not all, the right-wing fervour reached religious levels of blind loyalty.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Oh dear you have fallen for it - Labour point out him lying in QT - "Nothing happening here move on " - Labour go on drinking and ignoring their own rules - " Just picking on the Tories "
Labour last year warn of upcoming inflation problems - "Johnson " nothing to worry about move on " - Labour we need a windfall tax to help with huge utility bills - " Its a really bad idea and typical of Labour who just want to raise taxes although we are imposing the highest tax burden ever and are raising taxes 17 times but we don't want to stifle investment "
Next day - " we are imposing a windfall tax because its the right thing to do. "

Labour do have policies - most get used by the Tories
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You've only mentioned one policy here- the windfall tax. What are their others? I also said that Labour just slag the Tories off, you've said they pointed our Johnson lied and that they said there would be inflation. They're not policies they just back up my point. By the way, I'm a floating voter and have no love for either party and I voted remain.
 
RiversideBlue said:
You've only mentioned one policy here- the windfall tax. What are their others? I also said that Labour just slag the Tories off, you've said they pointed our Johnson lied and that they said there would be inflation. They're not policies they just back up my point. By the way, I'm a floating voter and have no love for either party and I voted remain.
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Erm they had too many policies at the last election. Starmer hs deliberately chosen to not set out policies other than specific proposals to tackle immediate issues like the windfall tax.

As a floating voter will you be voting for the Eton Mess again or are you more more likely to vote for the competent alternative?

If it is the latter, you are complaining about a strategy that seems to have had the desired effect.
 
RiversideBlue said:
You've only mentioned one policy here- the windfall tax. What are their others? I also said that Labour just slag the Tories off, you've said they pointed our Johnson lied and that they said there would be inflation. They're not policies they just back up my point. By the way, I'm a floating voter and have no love for either party and I voted remain.
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Equity Loans on new build homes.
Levelling Up / Northern Power house
New Decent Homes Standard
Increasing Taxes and regulation for private landlords
Keynesian economic policy since 2020

There are hundreds.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Erm they had too many policies at the last election. Starmer hs deliberately chosen to not set out policies other than specific proposals to tackle immediate issues like the windfall tax.

As a floating voter will you be voting for the Eton Mess again or are you more more likely to vote for the competent alternative?

If it is the latter, you are complaining about a strategy that seems to have had the desired effect.
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I will vote but not sure who for. I live in a seat that has never been anything other than labour. Voted Tory last time as a protest vote when Labour replaced our retiring MP with a young lady from Kensington whose daddy was some union big shot. She scraped in.
 
RiversideBlue said:
You've only mentioned one policy here- the windfall tax. What are their others? I also said that Labour just slag the Tories off, you've said they pointed our Johnson lied and that they said there would be inflation. They're not policies they just back up my point. By the way, I'm a floating voter and have no love for either party and I voted remain.
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errr - they pointed out that there was an inflation crisis coming and that taxes should not be increased as was proposed by the chancellor - a reversal of that decision is therefore Labour policy.
 
bluethrunthru said:
errr - they pointed out that there was an inflation crisis coming and that taxes should not be increased as was proposed by the chancellor - a reversal of that decision is therefore Labour policy.
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should labour reach a workable majority, they only need one policy. Repair the damage to the vast majority's living standards. 5 Years is a wildly optimistic target, with the msm fighting every decision with lies.
 
yerwot? said:
should labour reach a workable majority, they only need one policy. Repair the damage to the vast majority's living standards. 5 Years is a wildly optimistic target, with the msm fighting every decision with lies.
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Just ask yourself this - if elected would a labour govt

lie in the house
lie to the country
look to break international law and possible revive the Troubles in NI
lie to the queen
pursue a probably illegal immigration policy
pass laws that affect all then ignore them for themselves then lie about it
remain in office if they were fined and broke the law?

Those are just a few of the reasons to get rid of this lot
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just ask yourself this - if elected would a labour govt

lie in the house
lie to the country
look to break international law and possible revive the Troubles in NI
lie to the queen
pursue a probably illegal immigration policy
pass laws that affect all then ignore them for themselves then lie about it
remain in office if they were fined and broke the law?

Those are just a few of the reasons to get rid of this lot
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Didn't Tony Blair do most of this regarding the Iraq war?
 
Immediately there were shortages of some of my meds , parrall imports were banned so we couldnt get them that way via the chemist , tooks months to sort it out , i knew then it was a disaster , i warned against leaving and got battered on here , project fear was a disgusting ploy by boris and co and the getting rid of immigrants has affected every sector of business and society

Well done you idiots who swallowed all the leave bollocks
 
Clevers said:
Voted in by people looking at going back to a glorious past that never existed for the vast majority of people.
For the last 20 years the Conservatives have directed their policies at avoiding spliting the party rather than what is good for the country. Labour thinks (as in the 80s) that it can hang around and get voted in by default.

The twenty first century has produced a series of the worst PMs ever.
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and the worst alternatives
 
I’ve always been a Eurosceptic. I think the EU has become too big and busy an entity. It should just be a customs union and trade bloc, and not much else at all. And for decades some of our industries have been held back, down to being in the EU, and EU laws acting against them (for example, I completely understand why the British fishing industry were anti-EU; they’d been shafted by the EU since the 1980s). Leaving the EU could have been a good thing at some point in future decades had it been the right time with the right people involved.

But 2016 was not the right time, nor were the right people involved. It was too soon after the world financial crisis, the British economy was only just starting to recover from that crash and we needed a few decades of stability after that crash. And we had an austerity Tory govt in power to lead us through leaving, so that was a no-no.

And when it came to it, the campaigns by both leave and remain were an absolute laughable shambles. There was no plan, no idea whatsoever what to do if a leave vote won. There was so little information provided by the leave campaign that it should have been impossible for anyone to vote for it (apart from some industries where they’d been buggered by the EU for so long they were always going to vote leave), but the rest of populace who voted leave were brainwashed by social media and it all enticed a great number of people. But the remain campaign was just as bad. I wasn’t going to vote at first but the remain campaign was so bad that it got scary that leave might win so I had to vote remain in the hope that enough people would so we didn’t leave. But not enough people did. Unfortunately, too many saw the whole thing for the fucking joke that it was and abstained (really, the entire country should have abstained from the fucking joke that it was, but unfortunately social media is too powerful and persuasive!).

What should have happened is that in 2016, a panel of people should have got together and been given jobs for a decade to draw up a plan and sort out trade deals around the world and with the EU in the hypothetical situation that Britain might one day leave the EU. Then in 2026 the plans could have been put forward to the nation to decide whether it might be a good idea or not for MPs to discuss the plans. If MPs thought it met a number of points then they could vote on whether it could be put forward to the country as a referendum. Then the country could have hard evidence of a plan and trade deals and have a referendum on it with sound evidence of what leaving would look like.

What we got instead is the biggest pile of shit there’s ever been in British political history!

In the end, I think Brexit got away with being so shit because the economy would have been in the shit because of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, even if we’d remained. For example, I think we should all be prepared to take a hit financially in order to combat Russia without going to war with them, so it’s not like we can’t live with some hardships. But it’s how we come out of the other side that is key and having to battle against three things instead of two just makes it worse.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I’ve always been a Eurosceptic. I think the EU has become too big and busy an entity. It should just be a customs union and trade bloc, and not much else at all. And for decades some of our industries have been held back, down to being in the EU, and EU laws acting against them (for example, I completely understand why the British fishing industry were anti-EU; they’d been shafted by the EU since the 1980s). Leaving the EU could have been a good thing at some point in future decades had it been the right time with the right people involved.

But 2016 was not the right time, nor were the right people involved. It was too soon after the world financial crisis, the British economy was only just starting to recover from that crash and we needed a few decades of stability after that crash. And we had an austerity Tory govt in power to lead us through leaving, so that was a no-no.

And when it came to it, the campaigns by both leave and remain were an absolute laughable shambles. There was no plan, no idea whatsoever what to do if a leave vote won. There was so little information provided by the leave campaign that it should have been impossible for anyone to vote for it (apart from some industries where they’d been buggered by the EU for so long they were always going to vote leave), but the rest of populace who voted leave were brainwashed by social media and it all enticed a great number of people. But the remain campaign was just as bad. I wasn’t going to vote at first but the remain campaign was so bad that it got scary that leave might win so I had to vote remain in the hope that enough people would so we didn’t leave. But not enough people did. Unfortunately, too many saw the whole thing for the fucking joke that it was and abstained (really, the entire country should have abstained from the fucking joke that it was, but unfortunately social media is too powerful and persuasive!).

What should have happened is that in 2016, a panel of people should have got together and been given jobs for a decade to draw up a plan and sort out trade deals around the world and with the EU in the hypothetical situation that Britain might one day leave the EU. Then in 2026 the plans could have been put forward to the nation to decide whether it might be a good idea or not for MPs to discuss the plans. If MPs thought it met a number of points then they could vote on whether it could be put forward to the country as a referendum. Then the country could have hard evidence of a plan and trade deals and have a referendum on it with sound evidence of what leaving would look like.

What we got instead is the biggest pile of shit there’s ever been in British political history!

In the end, I think Brexit got away with being so shit because the economy would have been in the shit because of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, even if we’d remained. For example, I think we should all be prepared to take a hit financially in order to combat Russia without going to war with them, so it’s not like we can’t live with some hardships. But it’s how we come out of the other side that is key and having to battle against three things instead of two just makes it worse.
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Very good summary that.
 
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