How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

west didsblue said:
This thread is full of it. Try looking back a few pages.

Here's just one unbiased link if you can't be arsed. There's plenty more.
https://www.esri.ie/news/brexit-reduced-overall-eu-uk-goods-trade-flows-by-almost-one-fifth
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Hahahahahahaha, that's not evidence, it is specific to one area of the UK. Its members are such beacons of truth and virtue as KPMG (https://www.constructionenquirer.co...erlines the need,co-operation, and admissions.)
and Deloitte (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ed-record-15m-for-failings-in-autonomy-audits).

Even this article confirms the lack of any substantial effect on trade.
 
VOOMER said:
Hahahahahahaha, that's not evidence, it is specific to one area of the UK. Its members are such beacons of truth and virtue as KPMG (https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2022/07/25/kpmg-fined-14-4m-for-carillion-audits/#:~:text=“This case underlines the need,co-operation, and admissions.)
and Deloitte (https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ed-record-15m-for-failings-in-autonomy-audits).

Even this article confirms the lack of any substantial effect on trade.
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I have no interest in pursuing a discussion with someone who is clearly a troll.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Given they weigh Tory votes round here, you could say that about any vote that wasn’t for them. Our voting system is a fucking joke, and I felt exactly the same when I lived in a Labour seat where they got over 80% (yes eighty) of the vote.
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Ye badly need PR.
 
VOOMER said:
What evidence?
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How about OBR?

  • The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This largely reflects our view that the increase in non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade acts as an additional impediment to the exploitation of comparative advantage. In order to generate this figure, we looked at a range of external estimates of the effect of leaving the EU under the terms of a ‘typical’ free trade agreement (FTA) (see Box 2.1 of our March 2020 EFO for more information). Our assessment is that the TCA is broadly similar to the ‘typical’ FTAs assumed in those studies and reflected in our forecasts since March 2020. We estimate that around two-fifths of the 4 per cent impact had already occurred by the time the TCA came into force, as a result of uncertainty weighing on investment and capital deepening (see Box 2.2 of our March 2021 EFO for more information).
  • Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU. The size of this adjustment is calibrated to match the average estimate of a number of external studies that considered the impact of leaving the EU on the volume of UK-EU trade (see our November 2016 EFO for more information). Impacts on export and import growth are similar, therefore downward revisions to gross trade flows are broadly neutral in their effect on the current account over the medium term. Box 2.5 of our October 2021 EFO and Box 2.6 of our March 2022 EFO provide initial assessments of this assumption.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
How about OBR?

  • The new trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This largely reflects our view that the increase in non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade acts as an additional impediment to the exploitation of comparative advantage. In order to generate this figure, we looked at a range of external estimates of the effect of leaving the EU under the terms of a ‘typical’ free trade agreement (FTA) (see Box 2.1 of our March 2020 EFO for more information). Our assessment is that the TCA is broadly similar to the ‘typical’ FTAs assumed in those studies and reflected in our forecasts since March 2020. We estimate that around two-fifths of the 4 per cent impact had already occurred by the time the TCA came into force, as a result of uncertainty weighing on investment and capital deepening (see Box 2.2 of our March 2021 EFO for more information).
  • Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU. The size of this adjustment is calibrated to match the average estimate of a number of external studies that considered the impact of leaving the EU on the volume of UK-EU trade (see our November 2016 EFO for more information). Impacts on export and import growth are similar, therefore downward revisions to gross trade flows are broadly neutral in their effect on the current account over the medium term. Box 2.5 of our October 2021 EFO and Box 2.6 of our March 2022 EFO provide initial assessments of this assumption.
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link not your dubious selection of text. As it is it says nothing.
 
VOOMER said:
link not your dubious selection of text. As it is it says nothing.
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It’s a projection which says the UK is going to be worse off for leaving the EU and quantifies it. Unlike other projections, this one is by;

The Office for Budget Responsibility is a non-departmental public body funded by the UK Treasury, that the UK government established to provide independent economic forecasts and independent analysis of the public finances.

So much for those Brexit benefits being baked into the financial plans.

Don’t you think you are making yourself look a little silly?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It’s a projection which says the UK is going to be worse off for leaving the EU and quantifies it. Unlike other projections, this one is by;

The Office for Budget Responsibility is a non-departmental public body funded by the UK Treasury, that the UK government established to provide independent economic forecasts and independent analysis of the public finances.

So much for those Brexit benefits being baked into the financial plans.

Don’t you think you are making yourself look a little silly?
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Just in case he's not bright enough to find it.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It’s a projection which says the UK is going to be worse off for leaving the EU and quantifies it. Unlike other projections, this one is by;

The Office for Budget Responsibility is a non-departmental public body funded by the UK Treasury, that the UK government established to provide independent economic forecasts and independent analysis of the public finances.

So much for those Brexit benefits being baked into the financial plans.

Don’t you think you are making yourself look a little silly?
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You haven't posted the link and what you have posted (as you have pointed out), is a projection. Its fairly foolish to refer to projections as facts, your not foolish are you?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
So how about you post some alternative facts that disprove the notion that Brexit has been bad for the UK economy.
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UK economy latest - Office for National Statistics

A roundup of the latest data and trends on the UK economy, business and jobs
www.ons.gov.uk

In a post COVID it will take at least 5 years before we see global stability. Once the opportunists have milked the Ukraine for all its worth, things will settle further. 2030 is the year. As far as the intermodal area, prices for containerised shipping have plateaued. Further readjustments, such as greater and further modernisation of ports globally, will begin to reduce costs further. There has been a major issue with the use of "Bunk" diesel, as more and more ports want the waste processed, rather than simply dumped 30 miles out to sea.

There is also a better grasp of where UK ports fit in with overall plans.

theloadstar.com

UK ports call for expansion of freeport initiative to boost 'levelling-up' - The Loadstar

UK ports are urging the government to use them as the “ground zero” of its levelling-up plans, while others call for a significant expansion of the freeport strategy introduced last year.
theloadstar.com theloadstar.com

www.britishports.org.uk

UK Ports Call for supercharging infrastructure as new report reveals 'levelling-up' power - British Ports Association

The UK ports sector has called on Government to supercharge the delivery of energy network infrastructure to ports with new research and a transformational funding programme. Energy connectivity is a key enabler for ports if they are to act as hubs for the decarbonisation of freight transport on...
www.britishports.org.uk www.britishports.org.uk

There many factors to a global economy and how we sit within it.
 
VOOMER said:

UK economy latest - Office for National Statistics

A roundup of the latest data and trends on the UK economy, business and jobs
www.ons.gov.uk

In a post COVID it will take at least 5 years before we see global stability. Once the opportunists have milked the Ukraine for all its worth, things will settle further. 2030 is the year. As far as the intermodal area, prices for containerised shipping have plateaued. Further readjustments, such as greater and further modernisation of ports globally, will begin to reduce costs further. There has been a major issue with the use of "Bunk" diesel, as more and more ports want the waste processed, rather than simply dumped 30 miles out to sea.

There is also a better grasp of where UK ports fit in with overall plans.

theloadstar.com

UK ports call for expansion of freeport initiative to boost 'levelling-up' - The Loadstar

UK ports are urging the government to use them as the “ground zero” of its levelling-up plans, while others call for a significant expansion of the freeport strategy introduced last year.
theloadstar.com theloadstar.com

www.britishports.org.uk

UK Ports Call for supercharging infrastructure as new report reveals 'levelling-up' power - British Ports Association

The UK ports sector has called on Government to supercharge the delivery of energy network infrastructure to ports with new research and a transformational funding programme. Energy connectivity is a key enabler for ports if they are to act as hubs for the decarbonisation of freight transport on...
www.britishports.org.uk www.britishports.org.uk

There many factors to a global economy and how we sit within it.
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Some interesting stuff. Found the articles on ports interesting. Not clear why you posted the ONS stuff, it hardly demonstrates the Uk economy galloping ahead. Fair play to you though you did post stuff. If you believe things will come good by 2030 then that’s a valid position too. For now I will look at the projections and the actual growth across the developed economies and depress myself that the UK is at the bottom (sorry second bottom to Russia) of both views. Russia are there because of their aggression towards Ukraine, we are there because of Brexit. Everyone else has to deal with the impact of Covid. Have a good day mate.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Some interesting stuff. Found the articles on ports interesting. Not clear why you posted the ONS stuff, it hardly demonstrates the Uk economy galloping ahead. Fair play to you though you did post stuff. If you believe things will come good by 2030 then that’s a valid position too. For now I will look at the projections and the actual growth across the developed economies and depress myself that the UK is at the bottom (sorry second bottom to Russia) of both views. Russia are there because of their aggression towards Ukraine, we are there because of Brexit. Everyone else has to deal with the impact of Covid. Have a good day mate.
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And you to.
 
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