How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Gremlin said:
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It’s not like the idiots haven't had opportunities to express buyers remorse since.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It’s not like the idiots haven't had opportunities to express buyers remorse since.
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This HuffPost vid is doing the rounds again. It’s the one which tells the gammons pre vote how much better the NHS would be post Brexit.

Send it to anyone you know who still complains that folk should stop moaning about Brexit and ‘move on.’ Move on to what exactly is my response to this statement…. third world status?


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Vote Leave Video Claiming The NHS Would Be Better Outside The EU Has Resurfaced...

It has not aged well, to say the least.
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BeerIsTheBest said:
This HuffPost vid is doing the rounds again. It’s the one which tells the gammons pre vote how much better the NHS would be post Brexit.

Send it to anyone you know who still complains that folk should stop moaning about Brexit and ‘move on.’ Move on to what exactly is my response to this statement…. third world status?


www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Vote Leave Video Claiming The NHS Would Be Better Outside The EU Has Resurfaced...

It has not aged well, to say the least.
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Wouldn’t it be great if we could move on!
 
Postman Pep said:
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I listened to that today. Mick Lynch is a great Union leader and represents his members well. His answers are succinct and direct but on Brexit he shares that same Brexiteer denial that they all have and his answers on that topic displayed that today. Like most Leave voters he isn't daft he just cannot deal with the idea he will have to out himself as having been led up the garden path on that particular issue and the consequences of leaving could well be the biggest threat to him and his members rights going forwards'
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I like Mick Lynch but he came across as really naive there.
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I get what you mean. The lexit argument was something I was sympathetic to but seemed somewhat naive in terms of reality.
In terms of that exchange I disagree. O'Brien would have been better off drawing him into the wider implications than attacking him on the specific point of labour rights. Because as Lynch points out he campaigned (twice) in the intervening period for a government that would do precisely the opposite..... whereas O'Brien was using his platform to trash the only viable alternative.
 
As someone living outside uk / EU can I ask are any of the countries in the EU having any if the issues associated or blamed on Brexit. The only reason I say is we are having issues with cost of living / under funding of health service, staffing, supply chain. (Australia)

I never voted for or against but I always believe government only gives you a vote for something they want & want you to take the blame. When was the last vote on going to war?
 
cheekybids said:
As someone living outside uk / EU can I ask are any of the countries in the EU having any if the issues associated or blamed on Brexit. The only reason I say is we are having issues with cost of living / under funding of health service, staffing, supply chain. (Australia)

I never voted for or against but I always believe government only gives you a vote for something they want & want you to take the blame. When was the last vote on going to war?
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I'm in Victoria and the supermarkets here seem better supplied than the UK in general particularly fresh fruit and veg. The supply chains took a hit initially from covid when UK supermarket shelves looked like Russia circa 1970. It's never quite got back to normal as far as I'm aware although maybe UK shoppers will correct me. As the UK gets a lot of it's produce from or through the EU then it's probably fair to attribute a lot of the problems to Brexit rather than covid at this stage. Apparently the new wave of the pandemic in China is going to cause supply chain issues which we'll all feel.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm in Victoria and the supermarkets here seem better supplied than the UK in general particularly fresh fruit and veg. The supply chains took a hit initially from covid when UK supermarket shelves looked like Russia circa 1970. It's never quite got back to normal as far as I'm aware although maybe UK shoppers will correct me. As the UK gets a lot of it's produce from or through the EU then it's probably fair to attribute a lot of the problems to Brexit rather than covid at this stage. Apparently the new wave of the pandemic in China is going to cause supply chain issues which we'll all feel.
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It would be nice if the problems created a more sustainable supply chain, locally produced seasonable food.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Surely, a comparison doesn’t carry any meaningful force unless it is analogous. Sometimes ‘hysteria’ is justified, sometimes it is not. Whether the ‘hysteria‘ around Y2K was justified is a complete non-sequitur to whether it is in relation to Brexit.

Furthermore, hysteria is a subjective term. One man’s hysteria is another man’s proportionate response. Brexit represents an existential long-term threat to this nation’s standing (relative and actual) in a way that Y2K never could or did, which arguably warrants a degree of ‘hysteria’.

As to the hive mentality, I, for one, would greatly welcome an articulate contribution to this thread from someone who can advocate the enduring case for Brexit, but there don’t seem to be many takers…
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Absolutely
 
cheekybids said:
That’s my childhood you’ve just described. The excitement of summer as it changed to new potato’s & we got a few strawberries with a tin of tiptop.
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My dad told me once that when he had his shop on Stretford Road in Hulme in the 60s the strawberry season would last for a couple of months (maybe three) and they were sourced from Kent at the beginning, worked their way up the country and ended with strawberries from northern Scotland as the season concluded.

In answer to your previous question I think a significant number of the supply chain issues are down to Brexit but it is absolutely not the full picture. Labour shortages are probably easier to more significantly pin on Brexit along with (unquestionably) a reduction in exports and our standing in the world. Inflation, probably not so much. It’s a complex picture, made even more complex and challenging by Brexit. We have literally chosen to make life more complicated and challenging for ourselves, and far less well placed to deal with the vicissitudes of global events, with no discernible upside.

It’s not all down to Brexit, but Brexit has unquestionably made it palpably and significantly, maybe even hugely, worse.
 
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