How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[BlueHammer85]

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And I swear you that all the big countries (Germany, France, etc) would kill for having the economy that UK have right now.
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The UK economy has fallen far behind the EU since Brexit​

Britain’s GDP per head has grown just 3.8 per cent since the referendum, while the EU’s has grown by 8.5 per cent.

 

[NatalieM008]

The UK economy has fallen far behind the EU since Brexit​

Britain’s GDP per head has grown just 3.8 per cent since the referendum, while the EU’s has grown by 8.5 per cent.

I don't want to argue with you, I'm not going to try to change your mind. If you prefer to keep thinking that Brexit was a bad idea, it's your decision. I just say that in my country the economy is a disaster, and I know a lot of people that think like me. You have to understand that nobody pays me for defending Brexit. As a normal person that works, pays their taxes, and has a normal life, I just say that I'd give all my money for having the economy that you have in my country. Don't you believe me? It's ok, I respect your point of view.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don't want to argue with you, I'm not going to try to change your mind. If you prefer to keep thinking that Brexit was a bad idea, it's your decision. I just say that in my country the economy is a disaster, and I know a lot of people that think like me. You have to understand that nobody pays me for defending Brexit. As a normal person that works, pays their taxes, and has a normal life, I just say that I'd give all my money for having the economy that you have in my country. Don't you believe me? It's ok, I respect your point of view.

We might be better economically than other countries but it’s a fact Brexit is and continues to damage our economy- there’s no argument to that fact

 

[NatalieM008]

We might be better economically than other countries but it’s a fact Brexit is and continues to damage our economy- there’s no argument to that fact

As I said, I respect your opinion.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

I don't want to argue with you, I'm not going to try to change your mind. If you prefer to keep thinking that Brexit was a bad idea, it's your decision. I just say that in my country the economy is a disaster, and I know a lot of people that think like me. You have to understand that nobody pays me for defending Brexit. As a normal person that works, pays their taxes, and has a normal life, I just say that I'd give all my money for having the economy that you have in my country. Don't you believe me? It's ok, I respect your point of view.

In which country do you live?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

By the way, I found a new issue Brexi has directly caused my family an issue last night. My Daughter and Irish boyfriend were thinking of taking a few months - a year out later this year to travel around Europe and suddenly realised he is allowed to take as long a he wants she's allowed less than 3 months. Another right my generation had taken away from young people.

She can apply for a 6 month visa.

 

[blueparrot]

She can apply for a 6 month visa.

Not really the point though. Still a freedom lost that we had, for no apparent good reason.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As a person who lives outside the UK, I can say:

1. If you think that UK's economy is bad, you'd have to see how it's going in the rest of Europe.

2. European Union started to break down in the precise moment that UK left it.

3. Even with all the problems you have right now, UK still being the strongest European country.

And I swear you that all the big countries (Germany, France, etc) would kill for having the economy that UK have right now.

P. S. Sorry for my grammatical mistakes, I'm not native speaker.

You are deluded though and even a refer to stated facts with evidence as opinion!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Not really the point though. Still a freedom lost that we had, for no apparent good reason.

I know.
But we know the reason. The same right was given to EU citizens to come here and gammon didn’t like that.
I used to go every year with my dog using an EU pet passport.
Now it’s £150 a visit for a form off a vet.

 

[NatalieM008]

In which country do you live?

I live in Spain now but I was born in Portugal

 

[BlueHammer85]

As I said, I respect your opinion.

It’s not my opinion

It’s fact

 

[VOOMER]

It’s not my opinion

It’s fact

Erm its not fact, as any survey is limited in its scope and coverage.
Facts are we are the victims of a witch hunt and will be found innocent of all and any charges. Then the yank tops will do one.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Erm its not fact, as any survey is limited in its scope and coverage.
Facts are we are the victims of a witch hunt and will be found innocent of all and any charges. Then the yank tops will do one.

His is an opinion backed up by evidence whereas her’s is an oninion not backed up by evidence.

The false equivalence of these two opinions is a perfect encapsulation of how we ended up leaving the EU.

 

[NatalieM008]

It’s not my opinion

It’s fact

To keep this conversation is pointless. You aren't going to change your mind and neither I'll do.

I'd move to the UK if I could. My salary would be higher and my life would be better.

That is also a fact.

 

[BlueHammer85]

To keep this conversation is pointless. You aren't going to change your mind and neither I'll do.

I'd move to the UK if I could. My salary would be higher and my life would be better.

That is also a fact.

sounds like its just a personal situation thing for you

Brexit as a whole for the UK has only been detrimental, especially economically unless you can back up otherwise

‘Worse than feared’: Brexit to blame for £33bn loss to UK economy, study shows

Exclusive: Economy 5.5 per cent smaller than if Leave referendum hadn’t happened, says think tank

www.independent.co.uk

Brits are starting to think again about Brexit as the economy slides into recession

As evidence mounts of the long-term harm being inflicted on the U.K. economy by Brexit, the government is coming under pressure to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

www.cnbc.com

Blankets, Food Banks, and Shuttered Pubs: Brexit Has Delivered a Broken Britain

Brexiteers promised to “take back control.” But the decision has instead delivered recession, gloom, and despair.

foreignpolicy.com

UK Faces Bleakest Outlook in Generations as More Britons Stop Working

The Bank of England said workforce drop-outs have become an economic dead weight that has left the UK facing its bleakest outlook in generations.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Xhavenjoe]

To keep this conversation is pointless. You aren't going to change your mind and neither I'll do.

I'd move to the UK if I could. My salary would be higher and my life would be better.

Can you play left back.
If so, there is a vacancy in Manchester.

 

[NatalieM008]

sounds like its just a personal situation thing for you

Brexit as a whole for the UK has only been detrimental, especially economically unless you can back up otherwise

‘Worse than feared’: Brexit to blame for £33bn loss to UK economy, study shows

Exclusive: Economy 5.5 per cent smaller than if Leave referendum hadn’t happened, says think tank

www.independent.co.uk

Brits are starting to think again about Brexit as the economy slides into recession

As evidence mounts of the long-term harm being inflicted on the U.K. economy by Brexit, the government is coming under pressure to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

www.cnbc.com

Blankets, Food Banks, and Shuttered Pubs: Brexit Has Delivered a Broken Britain

Brexiteers promised to “take back control.” But the decision has instead delivered recession, gloom, and despair.

foreignpolicy.com

UK Faces Bleakest Outlook in Generations as More Britons Stop Working

The Bank of England said workforce drop-outs have become an economic dead weight that has left the UK facing its bleakest outlook in generations.

www.bloomberg.com

I can't negate it, but I can assure you I'm not the only that thinks like I do. I wish I could be in the UK because, even with all the Brexit problems, it still being much better than the other three countries I've been living in (Portugal, France, and currently living in Spain).

 

[NatalieM008]

Can you play left back.
If so, there is a vacancy in Manchester.

XD

 

[blueparrot]

To keep this conversation is pointless. You aren't going to change your mind and neither I'll do.

I'd move to the UK if I could. My salary would be higher and my life would be better.

That is also a fact.

Your salary may well be, you standard of living not so sure. Non of that is relevant though. Brexit has made the the UK worse off and reduced the standard of living here. The UK would be far better off in the EU , thats unarguable.
The fact you think you are worse off where you are than you would be here isn’t because of the EU, without the EU I have no doubt you would be worse off than you are now where you are.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I can't negate it, but I can assure you I'm not the only that thinks like I do. I wish I could be in the UK because, even with all the Brexit problems, it still being much better than the other three countries I've been living in (Portugal, France, and currently living in Spain).

What are your current and previous occupations?