How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

BlueBanger said:
What we ended up with was a frankenstein nothing burger of a brexit which leaves all the meaningful power in europe. Part of the reason being every idiot on the losing side of the referendum kicked and stomped because they couldn't accept defeat, the other being political "interests" in europe. What "others wanted" should have been completely irrelevant.

In 2019 people were given shit options and unbelievably no option for leaving without a deal. Its like saying here lets have a vote for a new doctors surgery in the village, then when you get it you then have to vote again for Dr Jackyl or Dr Shipman.

You cannot get up on a pedestal in such a situation...brexit hasn't happened.
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What meaningful power did you think we'd take back from the EU that they now exercise?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
No one voted for Brexit. Brexit wasn’t on the ballot paper. It was Leave or Remain.

I know plebty of people who voted to Leave (which is what we did) who assumed we would retain formal trading (and in some instances customs) ties with Europe.
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Brexit...exit...leave.

Its also not your brexiteer friends fault that the goverment is either spineless, incompetent, or outright corrupt in negotiating the deal they reasonably expected. Given our status as a bigger buyer than seller, the fact we haven't weaponised that against the EU is telling. The only reason we find ourselves where we are is because the EU negotiators KNEW our politicians wouldn't use the obvious weapon of "no deal" for reasons mentioned above.
 
BlueBanger said:
Brexit...exit...leave.

Its also not your brexiteer friends fault that the goverment is either spineless, incompetent, or outright corrupt in negotiating the deal they reasonably expected. Given our status as a bigger buyer than seller, the fact we haven't weaponised that against the EU is telling. The only reason we find ourselves where we are is because the EU negotiators KNEW our politicians wouldn't use the obvious weapon of "no deal" for reasons mentioned above.
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What deal have we got ? As far as I can see we are as close to a no deal hard brexit as possible. Please explain this deal.
 
BlueBanger said:
A complete exit for europe which we haven't had. Not rocket science.

Of course all the remoaning hasn 't helped. Kicking and stamping by people who seem to despise decocracy itself.
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You call this brexit democratic!!
Either you're a hedge fund manager, or someone wealthy enough for it to be of no consequence.
 
Grassland Blue said:
You call this brexit democratic!!
Either you're a hedge fund manager, or someone wealthy enough for it to be of no consequence.
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Or he is someone so convinced that brexit would be great,if they'd only done it his way,that he's doubling down on a flawed argument.

Round and round it goes.
 
BlueBanger said:
What we ended up with was a frankenstein nothing burger of a brexit which leaves all the meaningful power in europe. Part of the reason being every idiot on the losing side of the referendum kicked and stomped because they couldn't accept defeat, the other being political "interests" in europe. What "others wanted" should have been completely irrelevant.

In 2019 people were given shit options and unbelievably no option for leaving without a deal. Its like saying here lets have a vote for a new doctors surgery in the village, then when you get it you then have to vote again for Dr Jackyl or Dr Shipman.

You cannot get up on a pedestal in such a situation...brexit hasn't happened.
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You seem to be on a state of confusion here.
One question.
Do you think that a hard brexit has been beneficial to the U.K. or not.
(Oh, and it's Dr. Jekyll btw.)
 
BlueBanger said:
Brexit...exit...leave.

Its also not your brexiteer friends fault that the goverment is either spineless, incompetent, or outright corrupt in negotiating the deal they reasonably expected. Given our status as a bigger buyer than seller, the fact we haven't weaponised that against the EU is telling. The only reason we find ourselves where we are is because the EU negotiators KNEW our politicians wouldn't use the obvious weapon of "no deal" for reasons mentioned above.
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You mean the viable walk away option we were ultimately afraid to use? Or something like that.
 
Grassland Blue said:
You call this brexit democratic!!
Either you're a hedge fund manager, or someone wealthy enough for it to be of no consequence.
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Yes thats how democracy works. You have a vote and then the result is honoured. You are right though THIS brexit is far from democratic. The one we should have had(no deal, WTO, no ECHR)would have been.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Do you think that a hard brexit has been beneficial to the U.K. or not.
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Define hard brexit? I'd hardly call what we've had hard. It's also far too early to say and only dishonest types would say otherwise. Signs were just fine before covid hit. But thats the name of the game...blame absolutely everything on brexit even though the whole global economy is in the toilet.
 
BlueBanger said:
It hasn't even been brexit. Also, it hardly been a disaster...unless you are one of those idiots who disingenously blames brexit for everything that came on the back of covid, while no doubt being pro lockdown, pro mask, pro goverment control, etc.

Full withdrawal from the EU with no deal and no european influence over the UK(the clue is in the word "exit"). That is brexit and that is what people voted for in 2016. Find me one brexiteer who didn't vote for exactly that in 2016. Its the government who disgustingly shifted the goalposts when their arrogance backfired after the referendum result came in.

The goverment flat out refused to deliver a real brexit...but i'd STILL take a tory shitshow than a bunch of champaigne socialists who would quite literally destroy our country. THATS why boris won in 2019.
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Bet you love Braverman as well and think vaccines are a lefty plot.
 
BlueBanger said:
Yes thats how democracy works. You have a vote and then the result is honoured. You are right though THIS brexit is far from democratic. The one we should have had(no deal, WTO, no ECHR)would have been.
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Was that on the ballot about WTO ECHR, missed it. Probably wasn’t though because even the biggest Brexit advocates knew that would have been fucking stupid. By the way you do understand the ECHR has nothing at all,to do with the EU and existed long before even the common market and has many non EU signatories? Pesky fact I know.
 
BlueBanger said:
Define hard brexit? I'd hardly call what we've had hard. It's also far too early to say and only dishonest types would say otherwise. Signs were just fine before covid hit. But thats the name of the game...blame absolutely everything on brexit even though the whole global economy is in the toilet.
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The U.K. officially left the European Union on January 31 2020 and entered lockdown on 23 March 2020, making the ‘just fine’ window more an arrowslit.
 
BlueBanger said:
Yes thats how democracy works. You have a vote and then the result is honoured. You are right though THIS brexit is far from democratic. The one we should have had(no deal, WTO, no ECHR)would have been.
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Why WTO?
If we’re getting rid of everything why not that as well. And NATO, UEFA and Eurovision. It’s what we voted for surely.
 
BlueBanger said:
Yes thats how democracy works. You have a vote and then the result is honoured. You are right though THIS brexit is far from democratic. The one we should have had(no deal, WTO, no ECHR)would have been.
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God almighty. What the fuck were we doing letting living, breathing Dunning Kruger graphs like you vote on something so complex. You silly, silly sausage.
 
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