How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Chippy_boy said:
I am really surprised seemingly intelligent people such as yourself are finding this so hard to grasp: I thought it would be even worse. All of the things we are experiencing, I fully expected.

Have the things above come as any kind of surprise? Were you asleep for the 2 years of pre-and-post referendum wrangling? I was not.

I ALSO expected us to have to pay tariffs on our exports to the EU, for example. By some miracle we have avoided that and are still able to trade with the EU essentially tariff-free albeit with the additional (expected additional) red tape.
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Why would we pay tariffs on exports? I don’t think you quite understand.

Why did you not think there would be a FTA? Everyone else expected one. The problem was that the deal we got wasn’t particularly good.
 
west didsblue said:
Why would we pay tariffs on exports? I don’t think you quite understand.

Why did you not think there would be a FTA? Everyone else expected one. The problem was that the deal we got wasn’t particularly good.
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Clumsy wording, I meant our exports would be subject to tariffs. Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting I do not understand something a 5 year old can grasp.

And regards an FTA, no they absolutely DID NOT expect a tariff-free trade deal. The Brexiteers said we would get one and the Remainers STRONGLY argued that the EU would never agree to it lest it gave the green light to other want away countries to seek their own exit.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Clumsy wording, I meant our exports would be subject to tariffs. Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting I do not understand something a 5 year old can grasp.

And regards an FTA, no they absolutely DID NOT expect a tariff-free trade deal. The Brexiteers said we would get one and the Remainers STRONGLY argued that the EU would never agree to it lest it gave the green light to other want away countries to seek their own exit.
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No, not clumsy just wrong.

And as for your second paragraph that’s complete rubbish. We’ve got a bare bones free trade deal that the EU would pretty much give anyone. It was no triumph of negotiation. Only the ERG and the Brexit ultras didn’t want one. What Remainers argued was that we would not get the same terms as we had when we were in the single market and they were absolutely correct.
 
west didsblue said:
No, not clumsy just wrong.

And as for your second paragraph that’s complete rubbish. We’ve got a bare bones free trade deal that the EU would pretty much give anyone. It was no triumph of negotiation. Only the ERG and the Brexit ultras didn’t want one. What Remainers argued was that we would not get the same terms as we had when we were in the single market and they were absolutely correct.
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Whatever gets you off mate.
 
According to the OBR, net migration in the UK is now projected to be 250,000 a year. That’s significantly more than the 100,000 pledge made in 2019 and around 40,000 more than the prediction made in November 2022.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Thing is, I’m 53, and the only party that had delivered solid economic growth in my adult life is Labour and the only party that has overseen widespread industrial action is the Conservatives.

Time to move on from the Winter of Discontent for some.
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Most people wouldn't have known there was a winter of discontent but for the media.
 
Gabriel said:
According to the OBR, net migration in the UK is now projected to be 250,000 a year. That’s significantly more than the 100,000 pledge made in 2019 and around 40,000 more than the prediction made in November 2022.
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Another part of the OBR report **** neglected to reveal to the Gammonati....... they can still be whipped up over small boats and their occupants whilst being kept in the dark that "immigrants" in ever greater numbers are being invited in to the country
 
bluethrunthru said:
Another part of the OBR report **** neglected to reveal to the Gammonati....... they can still be whipped up over small boats and their occupants whilst being kept in the dark that "immigrants" in ever greater numbers are being invited in to the country
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That’s the reason I highlighted it. With immigration a driving force behind Brexit, then all parties, and especially the Conservatives, should acknowledge that a quarter of a million people are still going to be arriving each year; pretty much the same number as pre-Brexit.

The media should be asking where they are going to come from, where they are going to stay, and where they will be treated when needing medical attention?
 
Bodicoteblue said:
It’s all going terribly well, isn’t it?!?
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Thing is if they go their way with bonfire of rules they just kill off exports to just about everywhere in the world. If we drop EU standards - recognised globally - and introduce our own - even using the very same methodology it matters not one jot nobody will recognise it. Plus if we have to do that for EVERYTHING we produce and want to export - whereas beforehand it just gets checked and ok'd once in any member state and is signed off then you make the thing to the same recipe and you can sell it an anywhere - divergence harms rather than helps UK manufacturing despite what Rees-Mogg keeps saying

www.bbc.co.uk

Windsor Framework: Baby food firms to follow new EU arsenic rules

A trade body representing UK baby food suppliers says it will continue to manufacture to EU standards on arsenic residues.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thing is if they go their way with bonfire of rules they just kill off exports to just about everywhere in the world. If we drop EU standards - recognised globally - and introduce our own - even using the very same methodology it matters not one jot nobody will recognise it. Plus if we have to do that for EVERYTHING we produce and want to export - whereas beforehand it just gets checked and ok'd once in any member state and is signed off then you make the thing to the same recipe and you can sell it an anywhere - divergence harms rather than helps UK manufacturing despite what Rees-Mogg keeps saying

www.bbc.co.uk

Windsor Framework: Baby food firms to follow new EU arsenic rules

A trade body representing UK baby food suppliers says it will continue to manufacture to EU standards on arsenic residues.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Once we get past the simple naïveté of the binary remain/leave vote, it is quite staggering the sheer complexity of being in the EU, and how ludicrous the idea was that we could simply up-sticks and leave.
There is going to be a staggering price to pay for this in virtually every walk of life.
Sorry for stating the bleedin’ obvious (again) but almost every day brings us a whole new pile of evidence of the greatest lie ever perpetrated on us poor suckers, and the damage yet to be done.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
Once we get past the simple naïveté of the binary remain/leave vote, it is quite staggering the sheer complexity of being in the EU, and how ludicrous the idea was that we could simply up-sticks and leave.
There is going to be a staggering price to pay for this in virtually every walk of life.
Sorry for stating the bleedin’ obvious (again) but almost every day brings us a whole new pile of evidence of the greatest lie ever perpetrated on us poor suckers, and the damage yet to be done.
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Of all the follies associated with leaving, the notion that uncoupling from the rules that bound us to the EU was going to be anything other than complex, painful and damaging has to be the most egregious.

The same people who decried ‘this isn’t what we joined in 1973’ spectacularly failed to appreciate how true that was - and how hard it was going to be to extricate ourselves. The utterly reckless and foolish mistake they made was thinking it would be like, as I’ve said previously, leaving a golf club and cancelling your direct debit.

Thinking that a nation extricating itself from a multilateral agreement that had evolved over nearly half a century was going to be straightforward was so deluded that it has to touch upon the realms of the insane.

Absolute fucking madness.
 
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