How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Vic]

Part of the price of doing trade with other countries (India, China, Nigeria etc.) is that the U.K. will have to allow increasing numbers of migrants from those countries into the country. They may come as care workers or hospitality workers, postgraduate students, or trainee nurses, it matters not, they will come and keep coming. Freedom of movement was the price of trading within the EU single market, so the only thing that has changed is the origin from where the migrants come. All the talk of the small boats, the student dependents, Ukrainians, Afghans, and people from Hong Kong is just to deflect from the underlying trend in legal migration.

The media will dance around the issue because of the racial aspect, but if the U.K. wants to portray itself as international and outward looking to these countries, it is the price to pay in the post-Brexit world.

And the big difference is that most EU citizens came here, did a job for two years, got fluent in English, and went home to a better-paid job in a country that thanks to their being in the EU will be better economically than the UK.

(And all the EU construction workers have gone, part of the building cost inflation that will make housing either too expensive to build, or too expensive to buy.)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Cameron thought he was being smart, never in his wildest dreams did he think the Leave vote would win. Had things gone as planned it would have smoothed the euro waters for a decade, however......

Exactly this, it's how he kicked electoral reform into touch with a previous referendum which has in many ways been as damaging as the brexit one. We don't hear about that though because the current system suits the main political players.

 

[Gabriel]

And the big difference is that most EU citizens came here, did a job for two years, got fluent in English, and went home to a better-paid job in a country that thanks to their being in the EU will be better economically than the UK.

(And all the EU construction workers have gone, part of the building cost inflation that will make housing either too expensive to build, or too expensive to buy.)

The U.K. Government has already started to address that by loosening the rules on construction workers.

https://www.ft.com/content/964bd36f-1069-4c34-8059-e6973414ad9a

I would imagine that they will seek to attract workers from places such as Nepal, Bangladesh, and the Philippines.

Going to be huge amounts of money to be made in construction and the health/social care sectors in the coming years, especially for those agencies that contract people, often taking fees and then cuts of salaries, so I suspect there will be a good few MP snouts in that trough.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He was wise before the event.

Thanks for explaining that. Most helpful.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Typical glib Farage bollocks .... who would build those homes and schools? Who would teach their kids? Who would provide the NHS treatment? Slogans but no actual idea nor plan of what he would do

 

[bluethrunthru]

FISHING !!

 

[RabidCity]

Yeah no appetite - see below. The impact is worse than predicted and about to get worse when we introduce the checks on imports we agreed to and have put back twice in two years. Other than that your point is?

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I guess from what I see, conversations at work, with friends and family, there is no appetite around me. If pressed for a vote they might choose remain/rejoin, most would, but not feeling strongly about it that it's a current political issue.

In terms of 'worse than expected'... some of the stuff i heard spouted about 'grounded planes', 'economic disaster', would threaten 'peace on the continent' (George Osborne with that belter).. It's no way as bad as it was predicted to be, for that I'm greatful.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I guess from what I see, conversations at work, with friends and family, there is no appetite around me. If pressed for a vote they might choose remain/rejoin, most would, but not feeling strongly about it that it's a current political issue.

In terms of 'worse than expected'... some of the stuff i heard spouted about 'grounded planes', 'economic disaster', would threaten 'peace on the continent' (George Osborne with that belter).. It's no way as bad as it was predicted to be, for that I'm greatful.

Most - if they had it explained and they listened - would want to rejoin in a heartbeat. That is however a moot point because as we self harm we render ourselves open a situation where we are vulnerable. Any chance to rejoin will look nothing like what being a member was like....... Join the Euro, FoM, all the opt outs and rebates we negotiated will no longer be available to us. We will start from scratch as a 3rd country - we will be behind candidate countries like Turkey, North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Bosnia Herzogovina - thats how diminished we would be.

As for worse than expected - please come back to the debate when Brexit is "delivered" i.e. when we (try) to impose full import and export checks as of 1st Jan 2024 - you are grateful because something has been deferred thats all.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Part of the price of doing trade with other countries (India, China, Nigeria etc.) is that the U.K. will have to allow increasing numbers of migrants from those countries into the country. They may come as care workers or hospitality workers, postgraduate students, or trainee nurses, it matters not, they will come and keep coming. Freedom of movement was the price of trading within the EU single market, so the only thing that has changed is the origin from where the migrants come. All the talk of the small boats, the student dependents, Ukrainians, Afghans, and people from Hong Kong is just to deflect from the underlying trend in legal migration.

The media will dance around the issue because of the racial aspect, but if the U.K. wants to portray itself as international and outward looking to these countries, it is the price to pay in the post-Brexit world.

The law of unintended consequences.

 

[Vic]

FISHING !!

Nothing new here.

Me in 2020: "Good for fish, as we couldn't catch more of the same fish in our own waters - not without foreign-owned boats and foreign workers on board."

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