How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Oldham Exile said:
Sorry to see you post that...............

Your posts over the last couple of days have offered more sense that the last 7 years of an echo chamber limited to a group seeking to provide reassurance to each other.

Still - as I mentioned to a poster the other day:

"............I wish you well with your objectivity - although I strongly doubt your views will be tolerated and I expect that you will soon find a 'gang' of posters coming on to ridicule what you post - rather than debate it."

They cannot debate - you must join the group and comply

Shame - but cannot blame you - most people have better things to do with their time.

Though..........

FWIW - if you had been on the thread longer you would have realised that the cheesemonger's post should not have been been taken other than with a sense of admiration.

He artfully holds up a mirror to the nonsense that the pack spout - really quite a sharp individual IMO

Anyway - come on CITY smash the fucking Tarquins tomorrow - now there is a view that will secure consensus
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So it’s been a roaring success in the eyes of the government shill who spends his life in Cyprus?
Cool story.
 
Given the Tories don't give a shit about the arts this is a very apt story. They see no value in the arts as it doesn't generate profits. WRONG - It generates massive profits and internationally but the so called "intelleckshulls" in the Tory Party can't see that - maybe now they and some of their mates may be seeing a devaluation in the art portfolio they may wake up

 
bluethrunthru said:
Given the Tories don't give a shit about the arts this is a very apt story. They see no value in the arts as it doesn't generate profits. WRONG - It generates massive profits and internationally but the so called "intelleckshulls" in the Tory Party can't see that - maybe now they and some of their mates may be seeing a devaluation in the art portfolio they may wake up

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A bit unfair.
I‘m sure there are one or two tories who recognise the psychological benefits of artworks such as murals of well known cartoon characters.
Not highbrow but quite significant to certain people.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Given the Tories don't give a shit about the arts this is a very apt story. They see no value in the arts as it doesn't generate profits. WRONG - It generates massive profits and internationally but the so called "intelleckshulls" in the Tory Party can't see that - maybe now they and some of their mates may be seeing a devaluation in the art portfolio they may wake up

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I'd put that down as a Brexit benefit tbh.

Sotherbys isn't about art and culture it's purely about inflating assets of obscenely wealthy People.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Accountable? The cunts got 40% of the vote and have done what the fuck they want for the last four years. How is that democratic and how does that make them accountable?
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It’s not the voting system but rather because the left spend their entire lives fighting with each other….allowing the win on a minority who can remain cohesive. There is a reason Starmer is looking to split the right and letting the left crack on with their squabbles.
 
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metalblue said:
It’s not the voting system but rather because the left spend their entire lives fighting with each other….allowing the win on a minority who can remain cohesive. There is a reason Starmer is looking to split the right and letting the left crack on with their squabbles.
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I genuinely think PR is more Democratic.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Sorry to see you post that...............

Your posts over the last couple of days have offered more sense that the last 7 years of an echo chamber limited to a group seeking to provide reassurance to each other.

Still - as I mentioned to a poster the other day:

"............I wish you well with your objectivity - although I strongly doubt your views will be tolerated and I expect that you will soon find a 'gang' of posters coming on to ridicule what you post - rather than debate it."

They cannot debate - you must join the group and comply

Shame - but cannot blame you - most people have better things to do with their time.

Though..........

FWIW - if you had been on the thread longer you would have realised that the cheesemonger's post should not have been been taken other than with a sense of admiration.

He artfully holds up a mirror to the nonsense that the pack spout - really quite a sharp individual IMO

Anyway - come on CITY smash the fucking Tarquins tomorrow - now there is a view that will secure consensus
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Have to say I’m uncertain.
I Know a lot of people on here are suggesting you’ve been on here under a different name before.

I’m going to ask you out straight.
Are you the same poster that went by mcfc_1636 or some such moniker.

If you are you are. If you’re not you’re not.

But I argued lengthily about what Brexit meant for the North of Ireland and the GFA ultimately.
I was more or less told, so be it.

I would like to know whether that’s you or not.

If not, apologies. Let’s carry on.
 
Another Brexit benefit.

They were told this would happen, Brexiters denied it. Lying cunts.

 
BrianW said:
A contempt for the arts and for intellectuals is a common attribute of fascists. Not that the Tories are fascists, of course. They just like some of the rhetoric. It appeals to the hard of thinking.
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Now I can't stop thinking of Suella Braverman saying "When I hear the word 'culture', I reach for my gun" (or even her photocopier).
 
argyle said:
Another Brexit benefit.

They were told this would happen, Brexiters denied it. Lying cunts.

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So far as I know, the EU has not relaxed its checks on Brazilian beef, but Brazil has imported a lot more beef to the EU this year, as Brazil seeks other outlets to make up for China's ban on Brazilian beef. At the same time the EU wants to do a deal with the Mercosur countries (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay) but that's stalled over environmental concerns - more Brazilian beef means more deforestation.
 
BrianW said:
A contempt for the arts and for intellectuals is a common attribute of fascists. Not that the Tories are fascists, of course. They just like some of the rhetoric. It appeals to the hard of thinking.
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I remember back in 2010 when they got in, one of the first times I remember being directly impacted by their policy, they cut funding from a local cafe/art gallery that was run by students as a means to help them sell their artwork.

Not only was it a way for young budding artists to get their work put somewhere where people would see it but it was also a central hub of the student art community. Such was its pull that people like me (STEM students) went there too to engage in the art scene and have discussions with people who had a totally different perspective on life. I loved it because I always imagined this was the kind of place where you hear stories of intellectuals and great minds meeting to do great things (I wouldn’t be one of them, but it was cool to think I might be in the same room). For me the value add for local artists, the community and society at large was so obvious - and it really can’t have cost much to run, it was basically two rooms and a coffee machine.

When it closed down I knew we would never be allowed to have nice things again while this lot were in charge. And 13 years later I can say I was wrong. It’s not that we can’t have nice things, we can’t even have basic, life sustaining things.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I remember back in 2010 when they got in, one of the first times I remember being directly impacted by their policy, they cut funding from a local cafe/art gallery that was run by students as a means to help them sell their artwork.

Not only was it a way for young budding artists to get their work put somewhere where people would see it but it was also a central hub of the student art community. Such was its pull that people like me (STEM students) went there too to engage in the art scene and have discussions with people who had a totally different perspective on life. I loved it because I always imagined this was the kind of place where you hear stories of intellectuals and great minds meeting to do great things (I wouldn’t be one of them, but it was cool to think I might be in the same room). For me the value add for local artists, the community and society at large was so obvious - and it really can’t have cost much to run, it was basically two rooms and a coffee machine.

When it closed down I knew we would never be allowed to have nice things again while this lot were in charge. And 13 years later I can say I was wrong. It’s not that we can’t have nice things, we can’t even have basic, life sustaining things.
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One of my favourite descriptions of this soulless mob of grifters.
It‘s old hat but still relevant.
”They know the cost of everything but the value of nothing”
 
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