How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Churchlawtonblue said:
I voted out, for several reasons. Sadly none of these have been implemented by this government. I voted out for greater uk independence on tax rates, the ability for the uk to encourage external investment which hasn’t happened and greater internal investment, which also hasn't happened. I wanted reasonable controls on immigration, not no immigration, this hasn't happened, as we only let in people who we wont let work ie illegal immigrants. Lots of labour shortages across all uk industry sectors have contributed to massive increases in wage inflation.

I still believe that we could have left the EU better than we have, but was probably naive in thinking the UK government were capable of negotiating this. I was touch and go in making up my original decision , but now think if given a choice again and with hindsight of how we have left I would vote to stay, as the benefits I thought we would gain in leaving haven't been implemented.

I'm not sure whether how much of this feeling is down to my disenchantment with this government ?
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All of your reasons for leaving were available to any U.K. elected government. They have been made harder to implement by leaving the EU.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Fair enough.
Sadds for Prez.
A bilateral federation?
Sadds be ready for an influx of Ulster Scots Presbyterians.
There’s no way they’ll have anything to do with us, bilateral or not.
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That will boost the gers at least. Will they be good tax payers? We need all we can with the increase in social support coming down the tubes.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Problem is they weren't being implemented, the second point is debatable imo.
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It isn’t, as we became a poor country to invest in, so external investment was always going elsewhere.

Leaving the Dublin Regulation meant unlimited small boats from France.

We always set our own taxes, and unless we withdraw from all aspects of world trade, we will always have to compromise on our tax rates, whether in or out of the EU.

Internal investment will stay low whilst shareholders can cream off the profits.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Problem is they weren't being implemented, the second point is debatable imo.
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I’ll be serious again.
Do you believe the problems in Britain were and still are more to do with internal governance then?

Genuine question. To all.

Is it a case that Brexit has exposed the system and how it is abused regardless of how you voted?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It isn’t, as we became a poor country to invest in, so external investment was always going elsewhere.

Leaving the Dublin Regulation meant unlimited small boats from France.

We always set our own taxes, and unless we withdraw from all aspects of world trade, we will always have to compromise on our tax rates, whether in or out of the EU.

Internal investment will stay low whilst shareholders can cream off the profits.
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Your last points don't reinforce you initial view tho.

The EU is also experiencing severe migrant issues this year, causing significant disquiet among several nations. Not sure how this is going to be resolved.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I’ll be serious again.
Do you believe the problems in Britain were and still are more to do with internal governance then?

Genuine question. To all.

Is it a case that Brexit has exposed the system and how it is abused regardless of how you voted?
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I think this government, since the coalition are appalling. Hard to think of how anybody apart from the super rich and the largest corporations have gained anything from their tenure. I am struggling to think of anything that has been significantly beneficial and positive.
 
I might add that I wouldn't want to rejoin under this government even if this was an option as they are clearly not capable of negotiating a good deal.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I might add that I wouldn't want to rejoin under this government even if this was an option as they are clearly not capable of negotiating a good deal.
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From the outside looking in, I think this is a valid point.
Personally I dread to think what further botch job they make when it comes to appeasing the DUP.

They could fnck up more than the UK.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
From the outside looking in, I think this is a valid point.
Personally I dread to think what further botch job they make when it comes to appeasing the DUP.

They could fnck up more than the UK.
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The whole May bribing the DUP with £1b ?? investment thing to back her really stank didn't it.
 
blueparrot said:
I don't think there is much to negotiate if we were to re join. It would be pretty much this is the EU join or don't.
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Well what I mean by that is not rejoining on less favourable terms than when we left. But I have no faith that this government wouldn't manage to mess that up. I guess we would have to have a another referendum first. Be interesting to see how that panned out. Close again I think but probably rejoin would.in is my gut feeling. Many people I know , who i would term middle of the road voters, are very disenchanted with the UK government and the way things have been implemented. Would they take that view further and vote to rejoin. Maybe.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well what I mean by that is not rejoining on less favourable terms than when we left. But I have no faith that this government wouldn't manage to mess that up. I guess we would have to have an another referendum first. Be interesting to see how that panned out. Close again I think but probably rejoin would.in is my gut feeling. Many people I know , who i would term middle of the road voters, are very disenchanted with the UK government and the way things have been implemented. Would they take that view further and vote to rejoin. Maybe.
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I don’t believe there is any prospect of rejoining on the same terms as we left. The EU has moved on and our numerous opt outs, contribution rebate, keeping of the pound etc would not be on offer. Whilst I’m sure the EU would welcome us back, they’ve now proved to themselves that we’re not indispensable and are unlikely to treat us as a special case. Other than a few goodwill gestures to appease some people it will be take it or leave it. Our best strategy would be to leverage our military capability and financial services to get a few perks. I’m sure the rest of the EU would prefer having two UN Security Council members rather than just one when it comes to international diplomacy.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well what I mean by that is not rejoining on less favourable terms than when we left. But I have no faith that this government wouldn't manage to mess that up. I guess we would have to have a another referendum first. Be interesting to see how that panned out. Close again I think but probably rejoin would.in is my gut feeling. Many people I know , who i would term middle of the road voters, are very disenchanted with the UK government and the way things have been implemented. Would they take that view further and vote to rejoin. Maybe.
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Oh we will rejoin on less favourable terms,whoever the government, we through those favourable terns and vetos we had down the toilet when we left in the first place.
 
west didsblue said:
I don’t believe there is any prospect of rejoining on the same terms as we left. The EU has moved on and our numerous opt outs, contribution rebate, keeping of the pound etc would not be on offer. Whilst I’m sure the EU would welcome us back, they’ve now proved to themselves that we’re not indispensable and are unlikely to treat us as a special case. Other than a few goodwill gestures to appease some people it will be take it or leave it.
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Money talks tho. Certainly no chance of returning with favourable terms under this shower. I guess we will see. On a personal level it's not a massive issue for me or my life whether we do or don't. But like every other uk citizen, I want a the UK and its people to do well.
 
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