How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That's basically where I stand with it. I loved being part of the EU. We had an entire continent on our doorstep and it ostensibly belonged to us, as it did every other European nation; so many different cultures and customs we could pass through amiably and freely. I won't pretend to be fully clued up on the economic ramifications (although most reputable commentators now say it's a colossal fuck up), but to me it never made sense to jettison from a continent-wide economic membership. We didn't just cut our nose, we lopped it clean off to spite our face.

And for what? Blue passports and the chance for nationalist arseholes to thump their chest in some misguided display of sovereignty.

If the EU became monarchic, we’d be back in in no time…

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Guardian view on the Tory low tax, free trade pitch: a hard sell in a world that needs neither | Editorial

Editorial: Jeremy Hunt has an almost religious belief that the invisible hand of the market works – even when it punches Britons

www.theguardian.com

 

[TinFoilHat]

Blamed on the new labour government.

 

[blueloon]

That's basically where I stand with it. I loved being part of the EU. We had an entire continent on our doorstep and it ostensibly belonged to us, as it did every other European nation; so many different cultures and customs we could pass through amiably and freely. I won't pretend to be fully clued up on the economic ramifications (although most reputable commentators now say it's a colossal fuck up), but to me it never made sense to jettison from a continent-wide economic membership. We didn't just cut our nose, we lopped it clean off to spite our face.

And for what? Blue passports and the chance for nationalist arseholes to thump their chest in some misguided display of sovereignty.

Oh well. Life goes on.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Oh well. Life goes on.

And gets harder and harder for more and more people,

 

[BlueAnorak]

Good of him to express his gullibility so publicly. Hope he gets a decent redundancy pay off as I have some magic beans I can sell him

Net Zero lost these jobs.
Labour would lose them to as thelr Net Zero timeliness is slightly more aggressive.
Bizare as we're ahead of the entire world - only taxing Steel made from coal (as coke) would make sense
But we aren't doing that even though we could (due to Brexit) - Why not?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Net Zero lost these jobs.
Labour would lose them to as there Net Zero timeliness is slightly more aggressive.
Bizare as we're ahead of the entire world - only taxing Steel made from coal (as coke) would make sense
But we aren't doing that even though we could (due to Brexit) - Why not?

No it didn't. We will still need the virgin steel which we will import - at increased cost - so the emissions will go into the atmosphere just from somewhere else. This is all about an employer - a business - looking to rationalise and I have no doubt TATA would have just shut up shop. So in a compromise they look to change the method of production and save some jobs which in turn saves some face for a Govt who valued that at half a billion quid. The Tories retain a net zero target - they have just pushed things back like an extra 5 years before you need EV's - if it was about Net Zero they would be trumpeting that on the back of the closure instead they are going down the jobs "saved" route.

Either way decades of opening the UK to market forces looks like this - almost anything you can think of is wholly or partly owned by foreign entities so our 5th or 6th largest economy in the world pumps money into other countries economy whilst we decline .... getting it yet?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Brexit was not about the EU it was about Reet-Smug and his mates stripping you of your rights which is why they are hanging on or rushing this stuff through asap they want this

 

[Vic]

It wasn't/isn't revisionism mate it was pretty clear.

Campaigners often distinguished between maintaining “access to” the single market and being “full members”—a distinction with an unclear meaning that would be easy to miss, or misconstrue.

(Fullfact.org)

 

[BobKowalski]

Mate we were told by the EU that you couldn't have one without the other, that WAS the deal. Leave the single market because it ends FOM.

There wasn't and isn't a deal that was on the table for us that unless we in particular accepted FOM.

You can have one without the other. Switzerland and Norway are in the SM but not the CU. Turkey is in the CU but not the SM. The CU is alignment of customs regs and rates. FoM is not a requirement for a CU.

By and large people have little to no clue as to what the SM or CU means or what membership of either entails. And by people I mean MP’s, Ministers and the Media who should fucking know.