How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

mexico1970 said:
I did, but there is no answer to someone who posts shit like that. Again you lost get over it.
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We all lost whether we voted yes, no or not at all.

All the benefits promised didn't materialise and we got new problems we didn't have before.

mexico1970 said:
You still crying slingback?
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Not crying at all. You're the forum's very own Davros, spreading your hate from a place of insecurity.

I'm guessing this crossdressing thing is based on projection. It's a bit boring now but at least it saves you from calling people mini Che's. Did you get caught trying to bring the premise of Mrs Doubtfire into real life?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
We all lost whether we voted yes, no or not at all.

All the benefits promised didn't materialise and we got new problems we didn't have before.



Not crying at all. You're the forum's very own Davros, spreading your hate from a place of insecurity.

I'm guessing this crossdressing thing is based on projection. It's a bit boring now but at least it saves you from calling people mini Che's. Did you get caught trying to bring the premise of Mrs Doubtfire into real life?
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I don't know whether or not you have figured this out Deirdre but I don't care what you think, and I don't spread hate, do you need a fucking safe space treacle?
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't know whether or not you have figured this out Deirdre but I don't care what you think, and I don't spread hate, do you need a fucking safe space treacle?
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You're just a cliche generating old fart. If you genuinely don't believe you spread hate, there's no hope for you. Another sad middle aged bloke to add to the pity list.
 
mexico1970 said:
The Swiss army knife of excuses strikes again, a safe space awaits.
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If I wanted a safe space I wouldn't wander into this forum. It's increasingly turned into a support group for bitter middle aged men who post bullshit and troll rather than address their actual problems.

It sounds like you need a therapeutic environment in a rural area without any people with a dark complexion.
 
I went into James Cook University Hospital for a throat endoscopy today. In and out in 90 mins treated in a pleasant clean environment. The appt was arranged last Tuesday. Quick and efficient. One thing once again was starkly clear - if there were not those legal migrant work visa's issued last year none of that could happen. Just about all the staff who treated me etc were Indian, Bangladeshi, from the Philippines and of African origin. The reason Jenrick and Braverman rail against that is thats not a service they will ever use they will just go private. Could say the same for Sunak but in reality I will truly believe that Sunak was spineless and scared to take on the far right racists in his Party and just went along with it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I went into James Cook University Hospital for a throat endoscopy today. In and out in 90 mins treated in a pleasant clean environment. The appt was arranged last Tuesday. Quick and efficient. One thing once again was starkly clear - if there were not those legal migrant work visa's issued last year none of that could happen. Just about all the staff who treated me etc were Indian, Bangladeshi, from the Philippines and of African origin. The reason Jenrick and Braverman rail against that is thats not a service they will ever use they will just go private. Could say the same for Sunak but in reality I will truly believe that Sunak was spineless and scared to take on the far right racists in his Party and just went along with it.
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Cool story but what has that got to do with the Brexit thread? Wanting controlled immigration doesn't make you a racist Nazi contrary to the belief of the lunatic open border charlatans.

BTW I had an ice cream from and ice cream van today, he was a Brummie but it doesn't mean all ice cream van drivers are from Birmingham.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
That sounds very familiar in a football context. Didn't some old git say that City wouldn't whatever in his lifetime? He's either gonna commit hara-kiri or he's fulfilling what is to be expected of politicians - he's a lyin' bastard!
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He's going to revisit it IMHO, straight after he has scoped out if the EU would want us back or at what cost.
 
The facts speak for themselves without anecdotes. Brexit has been a disaster for the Uk.

By the end of 2023, goods trade had shrunk to levels not seen since 2015. This isn't just part of a general slowing of goods trade around the world – the UK's goods exports and imports have contracted by 13.2 per cent and 7.4 per cent since 2019, by far more than any other G7 country

The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals. * It also calculates that there are nearly two million fewer jobs overall in the UK due to Brexit – with almost 300,000 fewer jobs in the capital alone

Labour by ruling out rejoining even the single market will negate the most obvious lever for creating economic growth. Even tweaking round the edges to improve trade efficiency will require some realignment with EU rules.

It will continue to be a drag on the UK economy until someone puts their big boy pants on and tells the nation the truth.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
The facts speak for themselves without anecdotes. Brexit has been a disaster for the Uk.

By the end of 2023, goods trade had shrunk to levels not seen since 2015. This isn't just part of a general slowing of goods trade around the world – the UK's goods exports and imports have contracted by 13.2 per cent and 7.4 per cent since 2019, by far more than any other G7 country

The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals. * It also calculates that there are nearly two million fewer jobs overall in the UK due to Brexit – with almost 300,000 fewer jobs in the capital alone

Labour by ruling out rejoining even the single market will negate the most obvious lever for creating economic growth. Even tweaking round the edges to improve trade efficiency will require some realignment with EU rules.

It will continue to be a drag on the UK economy until someone puts their big boy pants on and tells the nation the truth.
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Couldn't agree with you more. However, while the Tory opposition has been weakened substantially, we now have five Reform MPs, led by the modern day Lord Haw-Haw himself, Farage.

He will do nothing other than pick his ill-gotten gains up and bray from the side-lines over the slightest thing he doesn't like or that he perceives to be anti-British, which he'll no doubt view as a better use of his time than actually representing the many deluded constituents of Clacton-on-Sea.

I think we need to spend this first team realigning ourselves with Europe and then moving towards rejoining in the second, by which time Farage, Tice and the appetite amongst some members of the public for far-right populists (both here and abroad) will be nothing but a terrible, distant memory.
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
The facts speak for themselves without anecdotes. Brexit has been a disaster for the Uk.

By the end of 2023, goods trade had shrunk to levels not seen since 2015. This isn't just part of a general slowing of goods trade around the world – the UK's goods exports and imports have contracted by 13.2 per cent and 7.4 per cent since 2019, by far more than any other G7 country

The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals. * It also calculates that there are nearly two million fewer jobs overall in the UK due to Brexit – with almost 300,000 fewer jobs in the capital alone

Labour by ruling out rejoining even the single market will negate the most obvious lever for creating economic growth. Even tweaking round the edges to improve trade efficiency will require some realignment with EU rules.

It will continue to be a drag on the UK economy until someone puts their big boy pants on and tells the nation the truth.
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Labour have no choice but to move us back towards the EU step by step. It’s the only viable way to arrest our economic slide and get some growth to enable them to invest in public services. David Lammy as foreign secretary is already a step forward. They’ll have to play it carefully to avoid angering the daft people too much too early but I totally agree, this is where Starmer can and should make his name.
 
BTH said:
Couldn't agree with you more. However, while the Tory opposition has been weakened substantially, we now have five Reform MPs, led by the modern day Lord Haw-Haw himself, Farage.

He will do nothing other than pick his ill-gotten gains up and bray from the side-lines over the slightest thing he doesn't like or that he perceives to be anti-British, which he'll no doubt view as a better use of his time than actually representing the many deluded constituents of Clacton-on-Sea.

I think we need to spend this first team realigning ourselves with Europe and then moving towards rejoining in the second, by which time Farage, Tice and the appetite amongst some members of the public for far-right populists (both here and abroad) will be nothing but a terrible, distant memory.
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There would be absolutely no point in declaring a roadmap to rejoining in his first days in office as it’s simply not going to be on the agenda for many, many years. All it would do is to serve as a wholly unnecessary distraction and lead to a feeding frenzy in the press, to no benefit. You’ve got to choose your battles. Think, as you suggest, it will form part of the next manifesto.

Based on his life expectancy I would say he’s most likely wrong on the not in my lifetime part, though. Assuming the issue of immigration doesn’t drive Europe apart, which I think is unlikely but plausible. Any right thinking person hopes that the rise of the far right across the continent will run out of steam, but that’s not guaranteed, sadly.
 
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