How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

mexico1970 said:
I haven't said we weren't lied to, on this point though we were told the truth. Same question to you, do you honestly believe other than the political students who are still mired in the 6th form political ethics the rest of the population are genuinely interested enough to wade through shit posited by ideologs to get to the nit and gritty?
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I think if there is a push to get a second referendum, it will be the adult population today pushing for it and then all the evidence will come out in the arguments for and against
 
mosssideblue said:
I think if there is a push to get a second referendum, it will be the adult population today pushing for it and then all the evidence will come out in the arguments for and against
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If and it's a big IF there is a second referendum I believe that remain would win.

To do that though the political class have to engage the people on the bottom of the ladder by tact and not shouting racist at them at every given opportunity, but I reckon they are too far gone and couldn't stop themselves.
 
Vic said:
"One of the continual problems with Brexit has been the UK having a conversation with itself without thinking enough about what the EU might be prepared to accept,” Brunsden said.

Nevertheless, Brunsden noted that Labour’s more positive attitude towards the EU could foster greater trust between London and Brussels, which might help resolve more technical trade-related disputes.

“There are going to be situations where potential trade disputes arise – and trust between the two sides is going to matter,” he said.

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Labour victory unlikely to restore pre-Brexit economic ties, experts say | Euractiv

A Labour victory in the UK general today (4 July) would likely not lead to a significant improvement in UK-EU trade ties in the near-term but could lay the foundations for deeper economic integration over the coming years, experts say.
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Having got the thread going again today, can I suggest people actually read this article?
 
mexico1970 said:
If and it's a big IF there is a second referendum I believe that remain would win.

To do that though the political class have to engage the people on the bottom of the ladder by tact and not shouting racist at them at every given opportunity, but I reckon they are too far gone and couldn't stop themselves.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is 'remain' in 2024? Is that remain out now or re-enter?
 
Vic said:
Having got the thread going again today, can I suggest people actually read this article?
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It probably needs to be done piecemeal and stretched over time to the point that closer and closer Union simply evolves naturally and doesn't have the Cassandras constantly clearing their throats. Whether that timescale is swift enough to alleviate the continued economic suffering is another thing.
 
mexico1970 said:
I said we were told that we were leaving the single market, and we were and we did. Do you actually believe everyone who votes digests every minute detail of a policy?

You have to catch the moment inform the public and remain did a shit job, if they'd have concentrated on facts instead of flinging shit we might not be here now.
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Remain said we’d leave the single market, leave said we wouldn’t. Leave won, and then changed their minds (or told the truth).
Mind you, remain MP’s also told everyone there’d be a huge influx of non EU migrants and I don’t remember leave mentioning that once. They did mention Turkey joining the EU quite a lot though…
My biggest disappointment really is that truth was a huge casualty in that referendum and, in many ways, it still is.
If Starmer does anything, should he win, over the next 5 years, I hope he can restore a bit of trust and honesty into politics.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
My biggest disappointment really is that truth was a huge casualty in that referendum and, in many ways, it still is.
If Starmer does anything, should he win, over the next 5 years, I hope he can restore a bit of trust and honesty into politics.
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I really can't add to that mate, great points about honesty.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Remain said we’d leave the single market, leave said we wouldn’t. Leave won, and then changed their minds (or told the truth).
Mind you, remain MP’s also told everyone there’d be a huge influx of non EU migrants and I don’t remember leave mentioning that once. They did mention Turkey joining the EU quite a lot though…
My biggest disappointment really is that truth was a huge casualty in that referendum and, in many ways, it still is.
If Starmer does anything, should he win, over the next 5 years, I hope he can restore a bit of trust and honesty into politics.
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The Bloviator made quite a bit of admitting non-EU migrants, arguing that giving preference to EU citizens was racist (because most EU citizens are white...)

Perhaps we can just stop some of the nonsense, like the children's clothes sent yesterday to someone in the EU. Is there a "commodity code" for children's clothes? No... Try baby clothing, or "jumpers".
 
mexico1970 said:
I said we were told that we were leaving the single market, and we were and we did. Do you actually believe everyone who votes digests every minute detail of a policy?

You have to catch the moment inform the public and remain did a shit job, if they'd have concentrated on facts instead of flinging shit we might not be here now.
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Its remains fault then? Ok.
 
mexico1970 said:
They failed to convince the public so yes it's their fault. If you can't convince just over 50% of the population who happen to be racist and as thick as 2 short planks then you failed.
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I didnt fail in anything. The dream team of grifters Johnson, Farage and Gove managed to get those people you describe out though, then shat the bed
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I didnt fail in anything. The dream team of grifters Johnson, Farage and Gove managed to get those people you describe out though, then shat the bed
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I said "Remain" as in the remain team not you, they failed, and by that I mean that they didn't convince enough voters it was the very definition of failure. Are you suggesting they didn't fail?

Add the attitudes of the Geldof and Izzards of this world and we had a shitstorm.
 
mexico1970 said:
I said "Remain" as in the remain team not you, they failed, and by that I mean that they didn't convince enough voters it was the very definition of failure. Are you suggesting they didn't fail?

Add the attitudes of the Geldof and Izzards of this world and we had a shitstorm.
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Im suggesting, or saying actually, they all failed. Us. And like I said this afternoon, it was all based on lies.
 
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