How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
So here's yet another Brexit benefit

I need to replace the battery on my electric bike ,,,, whilst the bike is a Raleigh the battery comes from JD Europe Components in Germany

The battery is £495

Import duty £125 plus £25 for the transportation of ''dangerous goods''

There will be a six week delivery time as a minimum


F@CKING BRILLIANT ...
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Playing "Devils Advocate" you could argue that Brexit was in 2016, and we are now in 2025, why is it we are not manufacturing all our own stuff across the board by now.

But yeah I get what your saying, I buy a lot of vinyl mainly from Europe, old imports from the 60's and 70's and there's always a big chunk of tax or whatever you want to call it, added onto the cost of them.
 
allow this shit into the UK and exporting any meat products will be done - we will however have eat this beacuse it will undercut UK farmers and put them out of business

 
bluethrunthru said:
allow this shit into the UK and exporting any meat products will be done - we will however have eat this beacuse it will undercut UK farmers and put them out of business

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The government have stated uneqivocally that food imports from the US are, pardon the pun, off the table with any potential trade deal.

We are actively seeking closer ties with the EU, which includes allignment with their standards across the board, not just with food, but everything else.

We won't be eating any of their shit nosh anytime soon.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Yes I do very well.... but to me that was somewhat different, we were quite literally (more than we are today - IMO) a two party state - the Liberals were nothing to write home about, and we never had Brexit..... I do think Reform are a bit more of a challenge so we were basically stuck with what we had.... Red or Blue.

The difference is we were in a right mess back then... the winter of discontent, Arthur Scargill running the country and IMO it was all orchestrated by Wilson and Callaghan, the trouble is it gave Thatcher an open goal that even Hojland wouldn't miss. And look what that led to.... miners strikes, privatisation all a fucking mess, but again IMO. I think we are on the precipice of something much worse today.

What is even more worrying is I have absolutely no faith in any of todays leaders having the balls to take us forward.

But yes I remember very well the seventies and the winter of discontent (reminiscent of Birmingham today) and the mess the Labour party left us in in 2010.
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Well, if you think Labour left a mess on 2010 I'm not surprised that after the mess the Tories left in 2024 you have no faith in anyone.

It's not just you. Last night's Channel 4 News debate began with a parent of a child with SEND who thought his child's needs were more important than fixing potholes. No-one said it but I suspect a lot of the audience without a SEND child wanted potholes fixed.

Of course you could fund SEND and fix potholes if everyone in the audience would vote for higher taxes.

Or do you think it can all be done by cuts and efficiencies, or (in this thread) by just rejoining the EU?

The lowlight was probably the guy who's never voted as he's for "none of the above" but couldn't say what or who he would vote for.
 
Vic said:
Well, if you think Labour left a mess on 2010 I'm not surprised that after the mess the Tories left in 2024 you have no faith in anyone.

It's not just you. Last night's Channel 4 News debate began with a parent of a child with SEND who thought his child's needs were more important than fixing potholes. No-one said it but I suspect a lot of the audience without a SEND child wanted potholes fixed.

Of course you could fund SEND and fix potholes if everyone in the audience would vote for higher taxes.

Or do you think it can all be done by cuts and efficiencies, or (in this thread) by just rejoining the EU?

The lowlight was probably the guy who's never voted as he's for "none of the above" but couldn't say what or who he would vote for.
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Well I have to say, sadly, that is me, as I have expressed quite clearly before on here I genuinely do not know who to vote for.

I just cannot vote for Labour or Tories and I desperately need to see a change. I genuinely believe it would be for the greater good if Reform did reasonably well in the next election (not win it because I also believe they could not run the country) but it might, just might get the other parties to focus on things that matter to the working people and drop shit like Net Zero for example.

I am not proud of where I am right now but there is IMO no real alternative and that is why PR would be for the best where there is a better representation of the people in Parliament representing them.
 
bluethrunthru said:
www.lbc.co.uk

The farmer forced to bin 300 tonnes of strawberries because of Brexit paperwork | LBC

The UK’s leading berry farmer has told LBC he has been forced to let hundreds of tonnes of strawberries rot in fields because of Brexit red tape - and warned UK shoppers should expect shortages and soaring food prices.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk
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Couldn't he have given them away to hospitals and charities? Not that that's a permanent solution.... better than binning them, plenty of brownie points for his business.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Couldn't he have given them away to hospitals and charities? Not that that's a permanent solution.... better than binning them, plenty of brownie points for his business.
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How would they get there? Walk? He has lost the crop value already and it would involve cost to pick them, sort them, put them in punnets and arrange delivery logistics. Given he probably works on small margins anyway why compound your losses?
 
bluethrunthru said:
How would they get there? Walk? He has lost the crop value already and it would involve cost to pick them, sort them, put them in punnets and arrange delivery logistics. Given he probably works on small margins anyway why compound your losses?
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Sorry but Big Joe tends not to think things through! Sad but true.
 
hampshireblue said:
Sorry but Big Joe tends not to think things through! Sad but true.
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No you are absolutely, as always 100% right. So sorry if it offends you to suggest he could open up his fields for people to pick their own, or produce at reduced cost but there you go, we can't all be expert entrepreneurs like yourself.

Once again sincere apologies for any offence caused, hope you'll get over it soon.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No you are absolutely, as always 100% right. So sorry if it offends you to suggest he could open up his fields for people to pick their own, or produce at reduced cost but there you go, we can't all be expert entrepreneurs like yourself.

Once again sincere apologies for any offence caused, hope you'll get over it soon.
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But that's not what you said is it? You said the producer should give them away to hospitals and charities. A comment not thought through unfortunately unless you think the hospitals and charities are well enough staffed to release staff to get them. There is also the small matter of the end user knowing the crop has gone through the correct process of ensuring it is safe for consumption. PYO place are full of signs basically indicating how to ensure the crop is fit for consumption.

No offence taken.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No you are absolutely, as always 100% right. So sorry if it offends you to suggest he could open up his fields for people to pick their own, or produce at reduced cost but there you go, we can't all be expert entrepreneurs like yourself.

Once again sincere apologies for any offence caused, hope you'll get over it soon.
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As a man who is being challenged in his critical thinking, how do you propose the farmer produces them at a reduced cost?
 
BridgyDids said:
As a man who is being challenged in his critical thinking, how do you propose the farmer produces them at a reduced cost?
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This is a debate / argument that is just not worth having.... however as you ask...

I merely suggested he might consider donating them. The costs involved with producing them might be able to be covered by donations from the people he would give them to but, in trying to think outside the box, if you were to try it, you would find an initial statement/idea is very rarely the final solution. The positive publicity he could potentially glean from this could reap many rewards... on the other hand it might not. I mean if he has the labour, machinery and processes to hand and available - which I would assume he must then it would be a business "risk" decision.

I, like you am quite happy, if it's not cost effective, to see the food rot. However, unlike you I would always prefer to investigate and see if there was any way of salvaging the crop and making good positive use of it. I am not an expert in industrial farming and food production, though this does not preclude me having thoughts and suggestions....

Thanks for your interest.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
This is a debate / argument that is just not worth having.... however as you ask...

I merely suggested he might consider donating them. The costs involved with producing them might be able to be covered by donations from the people he would give them to but, in trying to think outside the box, if you were to try it, you would find an initial statement/idea is very rarely the final solution. The positive publicity he could potentially glean from this could reap many rewards... on the other hand it might not. I mean if he has the labour, machinery and processes to hand and available - which I would assume he must then it would be a business "risk" decision.

I, like you am quite happy, if it's not cost effective, to see the food rot. However, unlike you I would always prefer to investigate and see if there was any way of salvaging the crop and making good positive use of it. I am not an expert in industrial farming and food production, though this does not preclude me having thoughts and suggestions....

Thanks for your interest.
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I think it’s best to investigate when you have a small idea of what you are doing, and I’m sure the farmers have done so, as they are the experts.

It’s all well and good asking for a positive solution to a bad situation, but you need understanding, skill, context and data to make it something that is passable.
 
BridgyDids said:
I think it’s best to investigate when you have a small idea of what you are doing, and I’m sure the farmers have done so, as they are the experts.

It’s all well and good asking for a positive solution to a bad situation, but you need understanding, skill, context and data to make it something that is passable.
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It was merely a throwaway suggestion, not a full on Business Case... chill you beans
 
The EU has denied access for the UK to EURODAC the database on crime, criminals and migrants because access is not and cannot be granted to non-members. This puts a lot of Starmers plans into stasis until something can be worked out (if indeed it can ) but it also denies the UK the ability to establish whether an asylum seeker has a criminal record and makes it harder therefore to return someone to where they came from. Far from ideal but just another indicator of what happens when you leave - as was said at the time you don't get to quit gym membership but still use the showers
 
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