How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Vic said:
A bit odd, that. Asking people if we should REJOIN the EU and the options are Remain or Leave rather than Rejoin or Stay Out.

However, all the polling indicates an outbreak of common sense in that most people now think leaving was a mistake, with a majority now wanting a Rejoin referendum within either the next 5 or 10 years.

Perhaps the most telling poll is this one, effectively asking "what has Brexit ever done for us?"
www.statista.com

Brexit benefits poll 2025| Statista

A January 2025 survey of adults in Great Britain indicated that people thought Brexit has had a mainly negative impact on many areas of life.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
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That polling has to be tempered with a further question, though.

When asked if you are willing to adopt the Euro and accept being a part of schengen, conditions the EU will insist on before granting us re-entry, rejoining drops to a considerable minority.

There is a long, long way to go before we will be seriously considered worthy and willing members of their club.
 
BobKowalski said:
An act of stupidity will always merit comment.

But we are moving forward. Having absented ourselves from the political and decision making process which was the Brexit remit we are now entering the damage limitation phase with closer alignment, including some dynamic alignment, and mobility schemes.

This was always going to happen and the process will accelerate during this Parliament. Personally, I am very comfortable with these developments. The Brexit mandate was clear. Leave the EU. Our future and status will be similar to Norway and Switzerland. Not in the EU, but within the EU economic jurisdiction as is part of our country already.
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The EU has stated they won't be granting any other country a Norway or Switzerland type agreement.

It's off the table and not open to negotiation.

Their club, their rules, and it matters not one jot what we would like or want.
 
NPBlue said:
That polling has to be tempered with a further question, though.

When asked if you are willing to adopt the Euro and accept being a part of schengen, conditions the EU will insist on before granting us re-entry, rejoining drops to a considerable minority.

There is a long, long way to go before we will be seriously considered worthy and willing members of their club.
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The notion that we can just walk straight back into the club, just because we will it, is as rooted in simplicity and arrogance as the idea that they needed us more than we needed them nine years ago.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The notion that we can just walk straight back into the club, just because we will it, is as rooted in simplicity and arrogance as the idea that they needed us more than we needed them nine years ago.
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British exceptionalism would get us back in on the same terms as we left ;-)

Although as it's been such a roaring success(Chippy told us so), you'd think Leavers would be pushing for a confirmatory referendum and then the matter can be put to bed for generations.
 
NPBlue said:
That polling has to be tempered with a further question, though.

When asked if you are willing to adopt the Euro and accept being a part of schengen, conditions the EU will insist on before granting us re-entry, rejoining drops to a considerable minority.

There is a long, long way to go before we will be seriously considered worthy and willing members of their club.
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Great post - it's incredibly ironic that selling rejoin would require a significant dishonesty campaign.

In this day and age of anti-immigration and concerns over border safety there is also literally zero chance of selling something like Schengen which is another fundamental part of EU membership.

I do agree with freedom of movement but we'd have to cave into certain aspects of that that we didn't before and we certainly haven't become a more pro-European country that's for sure. It's highly unlikely to succeed.
 
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NPBlue said:
That polling has to be tempered with a further question, though.

When asked if you are willing to adopt the Euro and accept being a part of schengen, conditions the EU will insist on before granting us re-entry, rejoining drops to a considerable minority.

There is a long, long way to go before we will be seriously considered worthy and willing members of their club.
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Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden are EU member states that have not adopted the Euro
 
Strict rules for British tourists going to EU are coming within weeks.
Britons travelling to Europe will have to prove they have medical insurance and a return ticket under strict new border rules. A digital system for arrivals into the European Union will be introduced from October 12.
Non-EU passport holders will have to have their fingerprints and a photograph taken the first time they use it.
Passengers will also be asked a series of questions to confirm they have proof of accommodation, sufficient funds for the trip, medical insurance and a return or onward ticket.

All this stems from a vote in 2016 -of course those responsible for the lies that secured that vote will gnash their teeth and scream "they are punishing us" !! No they won't be this applies to all citizens from non-EU states wherever in the world they travel from - yet another Brexit benefit - the EU takes control of ITS borders.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Do you not travel much?

This is just standard stuff when travelling
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No it isn’t and yes I travel a lot, I can’t remember ever showing insurance,having fingerprints taken. Photograph and return tickets maybe 2 or 3 times. Plus most people do their travelling and annual holidays within the EU and if you are saying it’s not harder and more inconvenience for families than it was pre brexit , for zero benefit you’re lying, again.
 
blueparrot said:
No it isn’t and yes I travel a lot, I can’t remember ever showing insurance,having fingerprints taken. Photograph and return tickets maybe 2 or 3 times. Plus most people do their travelling and annual holidays within the EU and if you are saying it’s not harder and more inconvenience for families than it was pre brexit , for zero benefit you’re lying, again.
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I meant that having to conform to the rules of the place you are entering is just standard stuff - be that the US, Sri Lanka etc.

That the EU are introducing their own entry regulations should not be a surprise to anyone - especially someone who is an experienced traveller.

That UK citizens should have to conform to those regulations is just normal - because we are not a member of the EU. We are not being picked on here - it would be the same for any person from a non-EU country - no drama about this at all
 
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Oldham Exile said:
I meant that having to confirm to the rules of the place you are entering is just standard stuff - be that the US, Sri Lanka etc.

That the EU are introducing their own entry regulations should not be a surprise to anyone - especially someone who is an experienced traveller.

That UK citizens should have to conform to those regulations is just normal - because we are not a member of the EU. We are not being picked on here - it would be the same for any person from a non-EU country - no drama about this at all
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Oh I know we aren’t being picked on, its self inflicted harm . We voted to make ourselves worse off and life more incovenienced
 
i kne albert davy said:
Seems like a good idea to be fair one of the few EU thing we should adopt.
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Well - not that UK governments seem capable of taking advantage of the opportunity provided by leaving the EU, but we could now take action to really strengthen our borders.
 
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