I think lots of people voted leave when they wouldn’t have otherwise bothered to cote at all, due to the attitude of certain remain voters, but that wasn’t limited to being told they were wrong, and the fact you plainly think it was is telling.
What attitudes and language? It's a discussion forum, and surely you can highlight arguments that don't hold water.The attitudes and language shown towards any poster in this forum who dares to even slightly disagree shows what you’re saying to be absolutely correct.
That of course doesn’t excuse voting to leave which in its own was a terrible choice and one I wish I could take back.
Political discourse is dead along with the ability or even willingness to change minds in a respectful way.
For someone with a passable vocabulary and reasonable grammar your English comprehension is truly appalling. I expressly and plainly did not say that.What did these "certain remain voters" say to make undecided people turn out? Are you saying that there are people dumb enough to vote for something only because someone tells them it would be dumb to vote for it?
My recollection is slightly different. Defending what was at the time a status quo that the average Joe Public took for granted was countered by Leavers claiming all sorts of intangible and frankly unachievable benefits. It was very easy for Leave to highlight complete bollocks( bends in bananas and the "loss of 3 pin plugs, come to mind) and lodge said bollocks in those minds that couldn't be bothered to find out the actual facts. Whenever Remainers pointed out the pitfalls of leaving, they were branded as scaremongers. Persuading disaffected people that what they already have is pretty good was always going to be a tough call especially when those same people were also being told that the EU was the source of their woes when that was clearly not the case.For someone with a passable vocabulary and reasonable grammar your English comprehension is truly appalling. I expressly and plainly did not say that.
I literally said the attitude displayed, and the effect on the way people voted wasn’t limited to people being told they were mistaken/stupid. It was posted in very straightforward terms. I couldn’t have been any clearer. I was clear in stating that it wasn’t merely down to that factor, and yet you responded as if I had, you fucking weirdo.
So once again you have suitably illustrated my point. You are tone deaf, unwilling to listen to, absorb or understand what someone else is saying. This is what I was referring to. A pathological absence of empathy, as you display on a number of topics, which suggests to me you most likely have a mild psychological disorder.
There was a cohort on the Remain side who displayed this. I saw it with my own eyes at the time.
It was this lack of empathy or understanding of the views of those who had genuine concerns about the EU, because people on the other side, like you, were dismissive of the reasons for their concerns and were unwilling to listen and consider them, that caused them to ultimately vote the way they did. Not in overwhelming numbers, but sufficient to tip the balance in favour of leave.
To refuse to accept this as a possibility, once again displays a pathological absence of empathy.
What attitudes and language? It's a discussion forum, and surely you can highlight arguments that don't hold water.
Maybe you'd like the feigned courtesy of Cromwell to the Kirk, "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken". It didn't work.
It's telling that @gordondaviesmoustache seems to take exception to my very respectful contributions.
A month including Xmas/NY and little publicity or media coverage, somebody wasn't thinking too hard. Probably a Deform member. "No support for rejoin...."That's been going a month and it's nowhere near the 100,000 to get it debated in Parliament.
For someone with a passable vocabulary and reasonable grammar your English comprehension is truly appalling. I expressly and plainly did not say that.
I literally said the attitude displayed, and the effect on the way people voted wasn’t limited to people being told they were mistaken/stupid. It was posted in very straightforward terms. I couldn’t have been any clearer. I was clear in stating that it wasn’t merely down to that factor, and yet you responded as if I had, you fucking weirdo.
So once again you have suitably illustrated my point. You are tone deaf, unwilling to listen to, absorb or understand what someone else is saying. This is what I was referring to. A pathological absence of empathy, as you display on a number of topics, which suggests to me you most likely have a mild psychological disorder.
There was a cohort on the Remain side who displayed this. I saw it with my own eyes at the time.
It was this lack of empathy or understanding of the views of those who had genuine concerns about the EU, because people on the other side, like you, were dismissive of the reasons for their concerns and were unwilling to listen and consider them, that caused them to ultimately vote the way they did. Not in overwhelming numbers, but sufficient to tip the balance in favour of leave.
To refuse to accept this as a possibility, once again displays a pathological absence of empathy.
It seems he thinks you alienated the perma-oppressed.Wow. All that because I asked two questions in response to something that was not straightforward but I thought rather cryptic.
So I'm pleased I've never resorted to such abuse.I’m not getting into the usual tennis match and will just say that GDM sums it up perfectly for me.
We are all guilty of speaking to each other in a way nobody probably would face to face.
Strangers on the internet calling each other cunts, thick, stupid, racist, libtards, woke and much much more is where this particular forum has found itself of late.
It’s a poor look that just entrenches views and does nothing to change minds and opinions.
Not really. As you can see in all the political threads, discourse is dead.Ha! The irresistible force meets the immovable object... popcorn in microwave.
Them's the breaks ;)Not really. As you can see in all the political threads, discourse is dead.
The sensible people will have insulated themselves against the possibility of a Reform government.
The one that crave it need to live the experience of punching down on everything and finding out that things actually can be a lot worse for them.
The popcorn will be saved for watching what happens in 2029 if a mandate is given to a grifter with no clue how to manage.
Indeed. It’ll be interesting to see how empathetic people are when they’re going bankrupt trying to pay for family members healthcare.Them's the breaks ;)
A referendum to rejoin?We have always seen ourselves as islanders and therefore somewhat different from what we identified as 'our European cousins'. The Remain campaign was a total mess and fronted by people who lacked any form of charisma and offered nothing other than the status quo. What the status quo offered both short and long-term was never really explained. As a consequence the offerings of Farage and Johnson seemed far more attractive and expressions like controlling our borders was highly attractive to a considerable section of voters. Of course the media never challenged them as to how this might be achieved.
Given that there have been no Brexit bonus and we now see how the US is a totally unreliable ally I take the view a new Referendum should be called.
It all has to be paid for... how, and by whom is another issue.Indeed. It’ll be interesting to see how empathetic people are when they’re going bankrupt trying to pay for family members healthcare.
Them's the breaks might be less well received then.
Who said empathy was dead?It all has to be paid for... how, and by whom is another issue.
Btw, going bankrupt back in the day - far more fkn traumatic/punitive than the kid-glove IVAs today - take it from someone who knows.
someone who has never had an attachment of earnings order, to the tune of £800k, awarded against them, that's whoWho said empathy was dead?
As I said, people who can insulate themselves from Reform policies will be fine.someone who has never had an attachment of earnings order, to the tune of £800k, awarded against them, that's who