HS2 - Birmingham to Manchester scrapped.

[TinFoilHat]

Isn't part of the problem that the route from Picc to the Ordsall chord (via Oxford Road and Deansgate) remained as two tracks rather than be extended to four as originally planned? Or am I thinking of a different bit of track?

Yep.

There was going to be a relief spur put in at Piccadilly. All of a sudden the funding dried up when Burnham was elected mayor IIRC?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Isn't part of the problem that the route from Picc to the Ordsall chord (via Oxford Road and Deansgate) remained as two tracks rather than be extended to four as originally planned? Or am I thinking of a different bit of track?

Chris Graying never authorised the upgrades at Piccadilly to make the Ordsall curve operate at full capacity. I understand that because of this it runs at somewhere between 10 and 20% capacity.

 

[grunge]

We shall have to dissagree to dissagree.

Did you look at the freight case paper?

Yep Posted it with a link above for those interested, lots of words very little detail in how that would actually work or where the capacity would come from. A prediction from 1 body, not even a national level body.

"Sub-national Transport Body, Midlands Connect, predicts that the full HS2 network will create space on the existing railnetwork for up to 144 extra freight trains per day". My guess is they cherry picked the highest figures they could find. probably based on moving all the london->manchester trains from the WML to HS2 which it wont.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So you pretty much googled to find out what to google but couldn't post the link. OK then.

for those that want it.

https://logistics.org.uk/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=26280145-1894-452e-8f18-7193fc0a5646&lang=en-GB

Edit: so the article in question, "High Speed 2 (HS2) will present opportunities for freight on the existingrail network." However HS2 wont free up much if any existing capacity without major routes being hit and passenger journey's being disutped in a massive way.

Also, it quotes some other sources for there figures without actually showing how exactly that capacity would work in terms of existing services.

Thanks for posting. No I couldn't get the link to work.

But you can see the numbers I posted weren't just made up.

 

[grunge]

Thanks for posting. No I couldn't get the link to work.

But you can see the numbers I posted weren't just made up.

I never claimed you made them up. just asked where you had seen them :)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Let's not forget, Crossrail has cost £24B. How much of the Country does that serve. ? They are already planning Crossrail 2 and a 2 nd Dartford Thames crossing at a combined cost of £40B.

Bet these both get built before Stockport gets the tram extension.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

The biggest cost was the construction of anti-jibbing barriers to accommodate our Merseyside cousins.

I didn’t get tickets checked between Lime Street and Crewe when I was going to Tamworth v Hereford. I’d say about half the platforms don’t have barriers which seems suicidal for Liverpool.

 

[give it to gordon]

If HS2 had started in Manchester you can guarantee that there wouldnt be any talk of not finishing at London

 

[west didsblue]

If HS2 had started in Manchester you can guarantee that there wouldnt be any talk of not finishing at London

It’s not finishing in central London. It’s finishing a few yards from Wormwood Scrubs making it ideal for Brummies wanting to visit prisoners which appears to be a very niche market. Not much use for anything else unless they finish it.

 

[MikeF]

I find the whole debacle incredibly depressing. 14 years on from the original concept and here we are. I can’t imagine any other country in the world being so shite.